Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

They already do this though.

You have to wear clothes in public, in the name of 'public decency'.

Wearing a mask is far more justifiable from a health and wellbeing perspective.

Again, that's by consent of the public. A unaminous agreement. Clothing in general is extremely different to the enforced usage of a mask.

It's actually quite mad this discussion is even happening.

 

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[degsy]

well no - if it was, the way tobacco was on sale would be a lot different

Literal and figurative window dressing, virtue signaling. I've seen it...no matter how poor you are there's Always money for ciggies.
With the fall in cigarette usage still running below that of the death of the older smokers, there maybe a case for for more 'education'
But.
Ordinary people knew over 100yrs ago that smoking was bad for you...60yrs sgo I was alwa ys told...it'll stunt your growth...but those who became addicts, didn't (couldnt ddtop anyway)care, something else was likely to kill you before ciggies did.
Trying to stop it is trying to a stop monkey see monkey do - hard.
Because it's always been about the money and the Govt. have seen the lessons of prohibition.
They won't...possibly can't, do anythjng.

Except wring their hands, count the money...and throw a small portion of it at education and window dressing

 

[PaulPowersTash]

It wont be long until they are told that!

Australia and new zealand not far from banning smoking completely.

If you think about smoking for example, if it was newly invented, it would never be allowed to be made legal now. It would be illegal like most other illicit drugs are!

Absolutely. If the government didn't get the £9.96 billion tax take on tobacco it would have gone long ago.
Talking about it being newly invented then this is worth a watch:

 

[Brennan]

Again, that's by consent of the public. A unaminous agreement. Clothing in general is extremely different to the enforced usage of a mask.

It's actually quite mad this discussion is even happening.

A considerable number of the population don’t consent to women having to cover their breasts while men don’t have to cover their chests.

You’re making a false distinction to suit your argument here.

 

[Tubey]

A considerable number of the population don’t consent to women having to cover their breasts while men don’t have to cover their chests.

You’re making a false distinction to suit your argument here.

Oh, that thing we've been doing for over 3,000 years? That one?

Yes, that's definitely a valid comparison to the enforcement of masks in modern society.

 

[Brennan]

Oh, that thing we've been doing for over 3,000 years? That one?

Yes, that's definitely a valid comparison to the enforcement of masks in modern society.

There’s no need to be a sarcastic bel end is there ?

I don’t really see what 3000 years has to do with it. 150 years ago people thought it was acceptable to have slaves.

Government already does mandate clothing in the name of public good, that’s the salient point.

 

[Tubey]

There’s no need to be a sarcastic bel end is there ?

I don’t really see what 3000 years has to do with it. 150 years ago people thought it was acceptable to have slaves.

Government already does mandate clothing in the name of public good, that’s the salient point.

And the government does so via common consent, which is the bigger point. They can't just dictate everyone has to wear clown costumes tomorrow on a whim.

3,000 years is important as it's commonly accepted throughout our democratic process that clothing to cover breasts is desirable.

If it wasn't, we'd change it. There's no common consent around mask wear.

 

[Brennan]

And the government does so via common consent, which is the bigger point. They can't just dictate everyone has to wear clown costumes tomorrow on a whim.

3,000 years is important as it's commonly accepted throughout our democratic process that clothing to cover breasts is desirable.

If it wasn't, we'd change it. There's no common consent around mask wear.

We are a parliamentary democracy, the government don’t rule by common consent.

That’s why we don’t have the death penalty. We elect a party to make decisions in the best interests of the people.

 

[dholliday]

None of us on here really have a clue what we're talking about

very true, i present to you this video from everyone's favourite expert, and then the below discussion.

TrUsT tHe sCieNCe!

Yes, let’s go back to sacrificing several thousand people a year to easily preventable illness, and losing hundreds of thousands of days due to preventable sickness. What madness it would be to slightly change how we live based on what we’ve all learned from the disaster we are living through. Fkin communists.

She's more right than wrong - preventable illness in the workplace is a big problem, and facemasks for healthy people were not something we really understood here in the West.
Getting colds and agues at work absolutely sucks (like that even needs stating) and is a symptom of sick work cultures - people too afraid / unable to take days off (plus some absolute cretins who think it's OK to come in to work with a heavy cold when they could easily stay home).
Her comments are sensible in that context - it's a bigger question than just government covid regs.

Asking people to wear a mask on a crowded tube train (for example), or stay home if they have the flu / COVID / other contagious disease is not a slippery slope to fascism, at all.

They already do this though.

You have to wear clothes in public, in the name of 'public decency'.

Wearing a mask is far more justifiable from a health and wellbeing perspective.

O behave, 14 odd months in and you come out with that? The main problem with masks is too many people still dont wear them

@Tubey

 

[Tubey]

very true, i present to you this video from everyone's favourite expert, and then the below discussion.

TrUsT tHe sCieNCe!














@Tubey

I don't disagree with the concept of wearing masks during a global health emergency.

I just disagree with the concept of continuing it perpetually when there isn't. Because life is for living - to avoid every danger is impossible and isn't even desirable.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

very true, i present to you this video from everyone's favourite expert, and then the below discussion.

TrUsT tHe sCieNCe!














@Tubey

The very act of science requires previous thinking to be wrong in some way though, doesn't it? I'm quite okay with scientists updating their thinking based on new evidence. I'm just saying that none of us here is really qualified to offer any kind of informed opinion on the topic.

 

[tsubaki]

Again, that's by consent of the public. A unaminous agreement. Clothing in general is extremely different to the enforced usage of a mask.

It's actually quite mad this discussion is even happening.

didn’t you start the discussion by saying an expert was a nutter for pointing out that these measures would help with preventing COVID transmission (and other diseases)?

 

[Tubey]

didn’t you start the discussion by saying an expert was a nutter for pointing out that these measures would help with preventing COVID transmission (and other diseases)?

No, the 'expert' said the measures should continue perpetually, as in enforced.

 

[tsubaki]

No, the 'expert' said the measures should continue perpetually, as in enforced.

... and thereby help prevent the spread of this and like diseases?

I mean this isn’t telling everyone to wear clown costumes, it would be telling everyone to do something that we know would probably help save many lives a year from dying from preventable diseases and help the economy.

Yet to say we should do that is the act of a nutter? Freedom doesn’t consist of ones nan coughing herself to death because someone further down the transmission chain CBA to wear a mask.