Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueStevie35]

Hospital figures - 8 deaths were announced today, up 2 on yesterday and down 5 on last Thursday. 6 deaths were in English hospitals, the exact same total as yesterday and down 6 on last week. The 7 day rolling average falls to 6.71

All settings - for the 28 day cut off, 7 deaths were announced today, up 1 on yesterday and down 11 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 7.86

For the 60 day cut off, 12 deaths were announced today, down 7 on yesterday and down 22 on last Thursday. The 7 day rolling average falls to 15.29

 

[ArtetaMoney]

A friend of mine has been isolating to the point where they’ve become obsessed with Covid. All due to their father being seriously ill and them not wanting to infect him.

Their mother was against getting the vaccine, as she was unsure of the potential adverse effects that on her body. However, she was pressured by the family to go and get it in order to protect the father.

Since she had the vaccine 2 weeks ago, her digestive system has broken down, resulting in her being hospitalised. The hospital confirmed that toxins in the vaccine were responsible for the failure in her digestive system.

This evening my friend has been told to go and visit the mother, as they are carrying out end of life preparation and don’t expect her to make it past the weekend.

Really sad times.

 

[Brennan]

This didn't really age well. Up there with his post that the vaccine was only 10% effective lol

Aged about as well as your posts deriding those in favour of delaying the reopening.

I seem to recall you predicting case numbers would have declined by now.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I see that they think Pfizer/Moderna cases of heart inflammation is more prevalent than initially thought largely in young lads after having their 2nd dose.

Be interesting down the line if they only start advising of one dose shots for under 25's or even mixing the vaccine and giving a AZ.

 

[Paris]

Aged about as well as your posts deriding those in favour of delaying the reopening.

I seem to recall you predicting case numbers would have declined by now.

Straight from the get go, I described this pretty much as a world changing event way back in January 2020. I've certainly got a better record than Captain 'the vaccines are only 10% effective'.

Ps, I said case numbers aren't important because the vaccines will help to negate an exponential rise in serious, life threatening cases, which they are. There'll be some falling through the cracks unfortunately but that's not a reason to keep restrictions in place, to stop the majority of this nation's people from doing what they like to do, i.e. Weddings being a big do, having fun at night clubs and enjoying live music or attending the football.

So urm, sniff it?

 

[LinekersLegs]

True, but these are likely cases from the 3k average figure a week or so ago, they are sticking at 7k as the crow flies.

The FFS, is probably a bit of a practical selfish comment, just about recovering services, team morale and energy levels from Oct -April, last thing we need is a spike of 40% admission and reintroduction of service restrictions.

On the plus side each week that passes in an area without Delta starting the ugly exponential ramp up means more 1 shot recipients having the better protective double dose and more of the unvaccinated moving to 1 shot - all of which you’d hope with slow some of the transmission and and feed through to cases/admissions numbers. The vaccines still are working amazingly well.

 

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[dholliday]

counter to that:

 

[dholliday]

226 cases might sound a lot but it's a tiny fraction of total doses...much ado about nothing?

 

[LinekersLegs]

226 cases might sound a lot but it's a tiny fraction of total doses...much ado about nothing?

Standard procedure here in US - for example CDC did it for the anaphylactic reactions to the mRNA vaccines and the blood clot results for JNJ.

Any time there gets to be enough adverse events (even if they are statistically rare) they call a group of doctors together and discuss the issue and determine how frequent, what risk factors and next steps. For instance JNJ rollout was paused for a couple of weeks while more data collected, the ERs notified to check for any extra cases that might have been missed and all doctors given a heads up to ask re recent vaccine and to not give standard heparin treatment without first checking platelet levels.

Joint CDC and FDA Statement on Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine

CDC and FDA Statement on Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine

www.fda.gov

At the JNJ meeting (all are streamed online and personally found interesting) they decided to continue but with a warning label on age use and side effects.

Have posted several bits and bobs about this heart inflammation issue, seems rare and pretty easily treated without serious side effects from what I have seen (no recorded overnight hospitalizations iirc)

Edit Thought this article gave some good detail

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Aged about as well as your posts deriding those in favour of delaying the reopening.

I seem to recall you predicting case numbers would have declined by now.

None of us on here really have a clue what we're talking about, so why would any of our predictions be given any weight?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

lol that's not saying a lot really though. If you task our civil service to model the worst case scenario of anything it will be apocalyptic - we're notoriously neurotic and pessimistic. That's why nobody takes a blind bit of notice of what our civil service says on any subject.

There have been multiple failings along the way - nobody would deny that - but @roydo is spot on. That's before we even get on to how unprepared 'the state' as a whole was to deal with a once in a generation catastrophe like this.

Signed off by Sage and Cobra. So another who needs to actually listen to Hancocks response to questions from select committee.

I heard some of it. Not that bit though.

You have shown by that reply that you have no clue how stochastic modelling is, nor why its used. To use your own example of a timing belt, stochastic modelling could ask "what would happen if the timing belt broke, you had no petrol, the car burst into flames, and there was a fireman strike?"

As a worst case scenario. (800,000 in worst case, covid wise).

So, after getting that output, you go, "so, what do we need to do?"

I am not saying the 125000 ish deaths is in anyway "good", but its a damn sight lower than the civil service modelling.

Yet they still did nothing for weeks added to modelling was events unfolding around the world, News people are catching up on his torch paper answers.

COVID-19: Matt Hancock made several claims to MPs about pandemic response that may turn out to be problematic

The health secretary's evidence on the government's pandemic response will court controversy and could yet come back to hurt.

news.sky.com

I scoffed when Boris actually addressed the nation in hand washing technique last year, now I understand why! Just don't forget or just not know the stochastic modelling it's end of days if you do.