Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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On the point of lives lost, to borrow @Tubey analogy, if China released a rabid lion, then said 'it might be on it's way' and one person prepared their lion armour, one person said 'lets all go into the street and hope the lion just eats the slow and frail then gets bored and another said 'there is no lion, it's just a big cat'. Who gets money in that scenario?

That is victim blaming. Quite frankly bizarre.
 
Yes they did. By your own admission. And it was widely known. Here's 2016.


They were uniquely negligent. I find your position on this odd, as you're saying because China are a dictatorship and could lock their entire population indoors under threat of summary execution, then for some reason they're not to blame and every other country is... despite China cultivating the disease in the first instance.

You're wrong, to put it bluntly. Very wrong for very obvious reasons.
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It's nothing of the sort.

It is. It doesn't matter what the response is - whether Sweden, the UK, Brazil - literally doesn't matter as they didn't cultivate the virus in the first instance.

So the person wearing "lion armour" is no different to someone who didn't morally. It's basically akin to someone being fortunate enough to duck when shot at compered to someone who wasn't - ultimately they were both shot at exactly the same way.
 
It is. It doesn't matter what the response is - whether Sweden, the UK, Brazil - literally doesn't matter as they didn't cultivate the virus in the first instance.

So the person wearing "lion armour" is no different to someone who didn't morally. It's basically akin to someone being fortunate enough to duck when shot at compered to someone who wasn't - ultimately they were both shot at exactly the same way.
You've swapped one bad analogy for another.
 
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I didn't say China wasn't culpable, I said I don't see how anyone can enforce reparations on China (nor why it's a good idea).

Those wet markets are awful and should be shut down, but, just as we have seen an argument about 'economy over health' in the UK, the same argument will be made by those who earn a living from those wet markets.

And, as I've already said, there should be severe punishment if China hasn't followed the necessary procedures for alerting the WHO et al, but as we both know, it's much more difficult to prove wilful deceit than negligence and given that China could point to WHO praise for it's response, it's ongoing supply to the rest of the world in terms of drugs, PPE etc they will claim they've done as much as they can.

Similarly, the demand for produce at the cheapest possible price is driving those conditions.

On the point of lives lost, to borrow @Tubey analogy, if China released a rabid lion, then said 'it might be on it's way' and one person prepared their lion armour, one person said 'lets all go into the street and hope the lion just eats the slow and frail then gets bored and another said 'there is no lion, it's just a big cat'. Who gets money in that scenario?
All we have to do is stop buying all their junk off eBay, Amazon, wish etc etc...
 
Wet markets. You stated it yourself. They are uniquely negligent. There's a discussion from 2016 about how it clearly, blatantly needed to stop because a pandemic was inevitable and they did the square sum of nothing about it.
I said wet markets. I don't know where I've stated that China cultivated the conditions to create a virus.

I have however, as the article points out, suggested it is something that was known about as a risk and continues to be so.
 
I said wet markets. I don't know where I've stated that China cultivated the conditions to create a virus.

I have however, as the article points out, suggested it is something that was known about as a risk and continues to be so.

Which they cultivated?

Are you seriously saying China didn't cultivate wet markets and thus the potential for pandemic viruses?
 
Which they cultivated?

Are you seriously saying China didn't cultivate wet markets and thus the potential for pandemic viruses?
I think your misunderstanding stems from your equivalence of thinking ignoring wet markets is the same as 'literally cultivating the perfect environment' for a virus to develop

There is also some debate as to if the wet markets were where it originated from or if it was an example of an early super spreading event. Which makes it more difficult to seek reparations where there is contested origins.
 
@Barnfred 55

Let me know what your missus thinks of the place.

Its virtually covid free btw. So blaming you if we spike ffs.
Safely back home in not so sunny Cornwall now.

Had a very nice stay in Portishead mate. The Italian meal was excellent and even gave me a plateful of chopped chillies on the side as I said I liked my pasta hot. I think they were testing me as the chefs clapped me on the way out after I'd eaten them all. lol

Didn't explore as much as we'd have liked but had breakfast at aqua this morning and then went for a quick look at the waterfront before going home. Portishead is definitely now on our list of stopovers next time we have to go to a funeral back in Liverpool, which probably won't be that long away sadly.

But the good news is that you aren't in the missus' bad books. You deffo don't want that.;)
 
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