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Nope.. Thats all they said! lol Might not even have covid as that's not a good news story!
My assumption is that even after vaccination the possibility of requiring hospitalisation is still plausible for ages 75+, but rarely ventilation and even rarer death.
That's because the immune response is naturally lower in the elderly.
If that's the case, it's fully to be expected. The key is deaths. We can't stop COVID completely, but if deaths are nominal then it doesn't matter.
Conversely, there's no point in talking about reparations if you can't practically find a rationale or means to do it. It's tub-thumping.
China has already been shamed internationally. But they have seemingly emerged much better from Covid than the majority of the world. So perhaps they could point to the individual countries response and ask what precisely these countries are claiming for?
'China' also didn't literally cultivate the perfect environment for it. While they may have not addressed warnings around wet markets, neither have other countries regarding their preparedness or likely origin.
And, the analogy isn't precisely what I'm saying, otherwise I would've said it. You might think it's correct, but I don't think it is.
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Cummings vs. Mancock - Cummings is obviously a snake, but sat there for 7 hours yesterday and gave straight answers to questions, with examples, times, dates, clarity. Hancock's just been asked the same question 4 times around testing before people went back into care homes and deflected, evaded, spun and BS'd.
Yeah, case numbers tell you something but always prefer it when positivity rate is shown as well for a fuller picture
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How is China not culpable ?
Sars came from the wet markets, they didn`t shut them down and hey presto we have Covid. Even now they`re building multi storey pig housing facilities, where the pigs will never see daylight, have no fresh air, be able to move around freely and will be crated in incredibly large numbers for their miserably short lives. Perfect breeding conditions ( again ) for a new virus, maybe even an old one, that mutates and comes back at us stronger and more deadly. You mess with nature and it comes back to bite you and will always win.
Then they tried to cover the outbreak up for at least a couple of weeks ( at least ). It was only whistle blowers that tipped the world off, some of whom later " fell " out of open windows.
Think about how many lives globally those few weeks of the lies and covering up cost the the world ????
What happened afterwards in individual countries, the cock ups, the lies, that lead to countless deaths etc isn`t on the CCP, but the global pandemic is.
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What's also more important than case numbers is hospitalisations and deaths. As long as both stay low then we should crack on.
Whilst obviously hospitalization and death are the most important (both at an individual level and at a “don’t overload the NHS level”) I feel cases # are still relevant in the context of long Covid.
Also case numbers are a much quicker indicator to rise so can use them as a flag to allocate resources/vaccinations as hospitalization and deaths lag.
Just back from having me first jab BTW. In and out in less than 10 minutes.
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What will be will be.
Whilst zen has a lot to recommend it as a personal philosophy, for a public health policy I’d personally prefer a bit more activism
I didn't say China wasn't culpable, I said I don't see how anyone can enforce reparations on China (nor why it's a good idea).
Those wet markets are awful and should be shut down, but, just as we have seen an argument about 'economy over health' in the UK, the same argument will be made by those who earn a living from those wet markets.
And, as I've already said, there should be severe punishment if China hasn't followed the necessary procedures for alerting the WHO et al, but as we both know, it's much more difficult to prove wilful deceit than negligence and given that China could point to WHO praise for it's response, it's ongoing supply to the rest of the world in terms of drugs, PPE etc they will claim they've done as much as they can.
Similarly, the demand for produce at the cheapest possible price is driving those conditions.
On the point of lives lost, to borrow @Tubey analogy, if China released a rabid lion, then said 'it might be on it's way' and one person prepared their lion armour, one person said 'lets all go into the street and hope the lion just eats the slow and frail then gets bored and another said 'there is no lion, it's just a big cat'. Who gets money in that scenario?
Yes they did. By your own admission. And it was widely known. Here's 2016.
Why southern China is a hotbed for disease development
Pandemics like Zika and Ebola can originate in one continent and quickly spread to another. To stop outbreaks before they start, scientists are trying to identify regions conducive to the development of new disease. One target is southern China, where factors such as daily wildlife trade and...
www.pbs.org
They were uniquely negligent. I find your position on this odd, as you're saying because China are a dictatorship and could lock their entire population indoors under threat of summary execution, then for some reason they're not to blame and every other country is... despite China cultivating the disease in the first instance.
You're wrong, to put it bluntly. Very wrong for very obvious reasons.
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