Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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tsubaki said:
That’s just testing though, and the responsibility is placed on the individual to do it.

To be effective the system has to be able to quickly identify the people at risk, test them, trace any contacts they’ve had, test them and then support them whilst they isolate.

We’re still in a position of not having that, and still having the “we’re going to have to learn to live with this” shouts.
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But every single piece of data tells us that vaccines not only drive down deaths, but hospitalisations also.

So to suggest we should put all our faith in vaccines is idiocy, well I honestly don't understand.
 
davek said:
The lockdowns are responsible alone for the reduction of infections. We know that because the same sharp reduction happened last year after a shorter lockdown and when we were (as now) going into the better weather with more people circulating outdoor.

The vaccines will help, but they haven't been tested yet. That will come in the autumn and winter. The lockdown has done the heavy lifting here. Anyone thinking there's a vaccine effect responsible for this slump in fatality rate isn't paying attention and / or have been (willingly?) duped.
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Just shut up for one day will you mate
 
davek said:
Yes, as said, the vaccines will help. But we know from experience that this virus comes right down with lockdowns and seasonal changes (which allow a life outdoors to be the norm for most).

People are still dying of the virus in this country and elsewhere even amongst groups with the vaccine. And we'll really only tell how much they'll help in the winter and after the full effect of society opening up for months. The medical community aren't willing to declare the vaccines to have protected everyone who got them.
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Obviously no vaccine is 100% but large portions of the US have both a) relatively high case numbers b) are a long way from UK lockdown restrictions and have been for months (eg Florida or Texas) yet vaccine breakthrough seems very rare, especially one that leads to severe illness/death.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
As of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 45 U.S. states and territories.

Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC
Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC7,157
Females4,580 (64%)
People aged ≥60 years3,265 (46%)
Asymptomatic infections2,078 (31%)
Hospitalizations*498 (7%)
Deaths†88 (1%)
*167 (34%) of the 498 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
†11 (13%) of the 88 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
 
MikelsGoat said:
But every single piece of data tells us that vaccines not only drive down deaths, but hospitalisations also.

So to suggest we should put all our faith in vaccines is idiocy, well I honestly don't understand.
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It’s because you have to wait for vaccines to be produced and delivered goat.

If / when a variant of this comes along that the vaccines aren’t effective on (or worse, something else entirely that is as damaging as this), what are we going to do?

The sensible thing would be to get systems and people in place now, to get as good an idea of what’s happening in society in terms of diseases in circulation. That way, if something emerges we’ll have the best chance of picking it up and containing it long before lockdown would be required. You can’t improvise that, it needs to be set up and working before a crisis.
 
tsubaki said:
It’s because you have to wait for vaccines to be produced and delivered goat.

If / when a variant of this comes along that the vaccines aren’t effective on (or worse, something else entirely that is as damaging as this), what are we going to do?

The sensible thing would be to get systems and people in place now, to get as good an idea of what’s happening in society in terms of diseases in circulation. That way, if something emerges we’ll have the best chance of picking it up and containing it long before lockdown would be required. You can’t improvise that, it needs to be set up and working before a crisis.
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But we are doing that mate, we are constantly testing people, tracking variants.

We have a test and trace up and running.

We have everything alongside our vaccine program.

What am I missing?
 
davek said:
The lockdowns are responsible alone for the reduction of infections. We know that because the same sharp reduction happened last year after a shorter lockdown and when we were (as now) going into the better weather with more people circulating outdoor.

The vaccines will help, but they haven't been tested yet. That will come in the autumn and winter. The lockdown has done the heavy lifting here. Anyone thinking there's a vaccine effect responsible for this slump in fatality rate isn't paying attention and / or have been (willingly?) duped.
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Riddle me this please Dave..

Why are infections dropping quicker in vaccinated age groups than non vaccinated?
 
MikelsGoat said:
But we are doing that mate, we are constantly testing people, tracking variants.

We have a test and trace up and running.

We have everything alongside our vaccine program.

What am I missing?
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Loads of it, goat. The test and trace isn’t fit for purpose and they’ve been scaling it back anyway.

Testing by itself can be useful (as protection for hospitals or at the border for example), but it’s much less useful as we are doing it (relying on people to come in) than doing it when chasing down outbreaks is, because you get a much more precise idea of what the actual problem is (hence why our reports of outbreaks are usually at the town level, rather than individual premises).

As for promoting isolation and supporting people who have to isolate, we still aren’t doing that enough nor are we assisting businesses when their staff have to do it. In terms of border travel protection, all we’ve done is give a big reason to people to not follow it.
 

This seems like a logical reason for the slightly higher incidence compared to flu vaccines but glad the CDC will keep monitoring it
“Approximately one quarter of the syncopal and other anxiety-related events after receipt of Janssen COVID-19 vaccine described in this report occurred in persons who reported a history of similar events after vaccination. Because the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is administered as a single dose, this vaccine might be a more attractive option for persons who have needle aversion. Therefore, it is possible that some persons seeking Janssen COVID-19 vaccination could be more highly predisposed to anxiety-related events after being vaccinated. The stress of an ongoing pandemic might also increase anxiety surrounding COVID-19 vaccination. In addition, in mass vaccination situations, an anxiety-related event witnessed by others on-site or reported through media coverage might provoke additional anxiety-induced episodes (4).”
 
tsubaki said:
It’s because you have to wait for vaccines to be produced and delivered goat.

If / when a variant of this comes along that the vaccines aren’t effective on (or worse, something else entirely that is as damaging as this), what are we going to do?

The sensible thing would be to get systems and people in place now, to get as good an idea of what’s happening in society in terms of diseases in circulation. That way, if something emerges we’ll have the best chance of picking it up and containing it long before lockdown would be required. You can’t improvise that, it needs to be set up and working before a crisis.
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Pooled testing, either at a family or business level, could be a useful strategy
 
COYBL25 said:
You’re starting to sound unhinged.

Just an observation.
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Yeah, 127,000 people dead - I want to be carefuil we lsoe no more people than can be avoided; you want to enable millions to get bladdered and stuff pasties in their faces indoors in bars and restaurants for hours on end feeding a virus and risk it all...and I"M the mad one.

No wonder you support Johnson.
 
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