Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Government saying it will not affect the timetable.....

I imagine the time it gets to the under 30's we'll have a ton of Novavax ready to go.

Long time yet for them to reverse todays decision as well.

 

[Tubey]

A lot will takeaway a headline of if you're under 30, or even in your 30s, don't bother getting any vaccine.

That's how I interpret it anyway - when they're saying the risk of serious covid complications is less than the risk of vaccine causing a blood clot.

You have to wonder if there's a different motivation behind it. Timing seems coincidental to me.

Exactly.

Disgusting.

 

[roydo]

Is this true?

Yes.

 

[jinkyali]

A lot will takeaway a headline of if you're under 30, or even in your 30s, don't bother getting any vaccine.

That's how I interpret it anyway - when they're saying the risk of serious covid complications is less than the risk of vaccine causing a blood clot.

You have to wonder if there's a different motivation behind it. Timing seems coincidental to me.

What different motivation?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Van Tam has screwed up this announcement and the media will build this up to scare the life out of everyone.....

Won't they just.

Surely he must have known how this would be received. What I can't get my head around is why make this announcement now, when most 30yos won't be getting their vaccination for another couple of months.

 

[Mrk]

I don't disagree.

I'm not really a political animal mate, which is why I'm usually referred to as a Tory. When I talk of government I don't just mean the politicians. The MHRA is part of our Government network.

Me too lol

But I do think it’s worth making the distinction though because the government is very different to the state. It’s not in the government’s interest for there to be any doubt about getting vaccinated - they’ve bet the house on it.

 

[Tubey]

Me too lol

But I do think it’s worth making the distinction though because the government is very different to the state. It’s not in the government’s interest for their to be any doubt about getting vaccinated - they’ve bet the house on it.

Which is exactly why they need an excuse for it if it goes wrong.

They've used the deaths of three people in that cohort to advise no vaccines for them, conveniently at the exact time a slow down in vaccines is coming, conveniently a month or so before that group is expected to be vaccinated.

 

[peteblue]

U.K. Vaccines.... 272 K vaccinations yesterday.....total first jab 31,707,594....total second jab 5,683,509....giving an overall total of 37,391,103.......

 

[Mrk]

Which is exactly why they need an excuse for it if it goes wrong.

They've used the deaths of three people in that cohort to advise no vaccines for them, conveniently at the exact time a slow down in vaccines is coming, conveniently a month or so before that group is expected to be vaccinated.

But where’s it going wrong? Where is the reports there’s a problem? You’re putting 2 and 2 together and getting 14.

This argument would make potentially 1% sense logically if the under 30’s were being vaccinated with AZ at the moment, but they’re not and won’t be for the foreseeable.

 

[tsubaki]

Which is exactly why they need an excuse for it if it goes wrong.

They've used the deaths of three people in that cohort to advise no vaccines for them, conveniently at the exact time a slow down in vaccines is coming, conveniently a month or so before that group is expected to be vaccinated.

they've not advised that, they've advised that other vaccines be given to them rather than AZ?

 

[tim cahill]

The problem, in my opinion , is that they didn't need to make this announcement yet mate. We know there is a link but we don't know what that link is yet. The vast majority of cases are in women and a lot of those are over 30. So why all under 30s, and why announce it now when the majority of under 30s won't be getting vaccinated for another couple of months at least. They've only been looking at these cases for about a month. Another couple of months would enable the scientists to drill down more accurately and hopefully come up with a specific grouping based on proper data, rather than pick out a whole demographic.

They have undermined the confidence in the vaccine now when previously it was high. Do you not think older people in their 30s and 40s will not start to question it, and what about all the under 30s health and care workers who have already had their first jab?

It's a mess and there was absolutely no need.

Of course there was a need. It's dishonest not to. So only 7 people we know about have died from this blood clot issue. That's 7 people that could well have survived Covid itself.

 

[peteblue]

The EU EMA announcement was fine, no scare stories.....

 

[peteblue]

Meanwhile cases have dropped about 1300 in a week.....

 

[jinkyali]

Won't they just.

Surely he must have known how this would be received. What I can't get my head around is why make this announcement now, when most 30yos won't be getting their vaccination for another couple of months.

To maintain confidence in the upper ages.
Allow the programme to carry on.

One cohort needs to be highlighted. Let it be the ones who are months away from vaccination

 

[Mrk]

You’d think they’d just admitted to accidentally injecting everybody with bleach by the way some people are reacting.

This is one of the unfortunate consequences of having independent regulatory authorities - they don’t do PR, they don’t do shiny press conferences, they don’t do patriotic chest-beating for the media. They’re scientists. The alternative is having Boris telling them not to do what they think is right because he doesn’t want people to lose confidence in the vaccine. Who actually wants that?!

We either want that independence or we don’t. I know I certainly do.