peteblue
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ForeverBlue92
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Lots of blokes with EU flag profile pics on there slagging off the UK over "vaccine nationalism"
Get logging on and go get em tiger lol
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
CBA tbh, it’s a cesspit.....
davek
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Here's what I stated to begin:
"The words of the chief medical officer, SAGE and Independent SAGE all recognise that the really heavy lifting has to be done via the continued use of social distancing, masks and especially a tough as teak track and test system."
He said (as per your link) "The vaccination takes a lot of the heavy lifting on this".
Those two statements dont contradict each other.
Do you really think Whitty believes the vaccines are a virtual panacea for this virus - which is the implication of what youlre saying by downplaying the behavioural changes long term that we all have to make and the track a trace system with teeth we need to suppress the virus?
I'm sorry if you think the cage is sprung with vaccines and we go back to the old normal, but the reality is mightily different. All the experts will tell you that.
Dont think anyone ( in their right mind ) thinks just cos they've had a vaccine things are going to go back to the normal of 15 months ago.
Everyone within my family , freinds & colleagues know that things have changed & there'll be no " normal for a long time"
Think you are having a stab at people with your own opinion rather than the concensus of opinion of the nation.
davek
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I'm not having a stab at anyone.
I stated that the vaccines are not a panacea and we cant expect to suppress the virus without prioritising bahavioural change and a robust track and trace system.
Some people (who obviously dont appreciate that sober message) then went berserk and orchestrated a pile on based on the usual misrepresentations.
That is about the strength of it.
peteblue
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The virus isn't going anywhere though and literally everybody everywhere in the world (bar you, it seems) wants to attempt to get back to something akin to what was 'normal' before.
Things have changed, we get that, but the whole point of vaccinating is to give us a massive step towards being able to do stuff like we used to be able to, even if not quite the same.
You don't have to do it, Dave. Sit in your house and get the first flight to Taiwan if you want.
There's an acceptable risk we take with any illness. The risk level, so far, hasn't been acceptable with COVID. But with each passing day, and each passing dose, that stage where it is acceptable gets nearer and nearer.
If nations on the continent had been quicker on their vaccine uptake, then they'd perhaps be seeing different results to what they are right now. Perhaps not, we'll never really know.
We're just going to have to see how the next 2 weeks go in the UK. The first 3 week stage is now over. Schools are off now, so those 'covid dens' or whatever they're described as are totally shut - for the first time actually since early January. Tomorrow we can meet in a group of six outside or go play golf or even organised sport. It's all tiny steps. But it's positive.
I think you need to be a little less presumptious on what I think as it comes across as a bit condescending. Which I am sure isn't your intention.
I have really warmed to you over the years on here and recognise your views and respect them. However what I can't abide is your seemingly ever changing thesis.
First it was the vaccines won't do the heavy lifting. Then when it was proven that CMO said they will do the heavy lifting, you now say his words are open ended and insinuate open to interpretation.
When tasked with detailing how behavioural change is required and point to SE Asia including their behaviours such as test and trace, social distancing etc, its put to you they don't socially distance and then you caveat it by stating they don't need to because of test and trace. So already your prior point is redundant.
It's really frustrating tbh as it makes a mockery of the argument your putting forward and makes it difficult to engage in proper debate.
He can't pin that one on Johnson, either...
Can you show evidence to your claims?
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
People will get back to normal very quickly, christ the only thing that's currently any different in people's behaviour is mask wearing, supermarkets are swamped, the roads are busy, when I'm on my way to work the traffic is for the first time since this all started back to pre covid levels. You'll be very surprised at how quickly things will change around once governments announce an end to restrictions.
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Covid jab: One dose in care homes gives 'substantial' protection
A study suggests 62% of residents are protected by a single dose of the vaccines used in the UK.
www.bbc.co.uk
Good news. People in care homes are probably the most vulnerable.
It would have been interesting if they mentioned the severity for those that caught it.
Also seems that the results were similar whether it was chilled gnats piss or supercooled gnats piss.
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