Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Barnfred 55]

The UK not sounding too good either, basically saying send us what we are contracted to get while Europe get less than 30% of their contract, sounds alot like.. we want a healthy 32 year old in stoke to be vaccinated before a 75 year old in Rome.
Vaccines exported..
USA 4 million
EU 38 million
UK 0
My father is 73 years old, still no word on when he might get his vaccine, theres people half his age in UK already done, and 1in 3 of those were done by a vaccine sent to UK out of Europe.

Firstly, we started vaccinating in the UK nearly a month earlier than you did in countries covered by the EU. That was your decision. Every country within the EU had the same autonomy as the UK did to grant an emergency license, but we were the only ones that did.

Secondly, the UK is adopting a completely different vaccination strategy to Europe in that we are getting as many as people as possible given their first dose as quickly as possible. It's a calculated scientifically driven gamble and involves giving the second dose after 12 weeks rather than 3. Had you adopted the same strategy then perhaps your father may well have had his first injection by now. Anyway, the over 50s and health workers are all expected to have had their first jab by the middle of April. If anybody healthy aged 32 who is not a health worker has already had their first jab, they are extremely lucky and would most likely have benefitted from being in the right place at the right time.

Thirdly, the USA are now manufacturing more than 130m doses a month. and have a population of 330m. The EU area are manufacturing over 120m doses a month and have a total population of around 440m. The UK is manufacturing less than 10m doses per month and has a population of just under 70m. So both the EU and USA are producing substantially more vaccine doses per head of population than the UK is, but we're suddenly becoming the bad guys here for not exporting any. It's a f'kin joke.

 

[summerisle]

Wirral done good.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Saying that language was strange is not saying I "believe the OP to be racist", so your confusion is probably caused by you assuming that what I was saying.

You never answered my question. What was so "obvious" in the post below. You've said it wasn't racism, for which I have already apologised. So what was it?

I think it was obvious what you meant, yes

 

[Tubey]

Firstly, we started vaccinating in the UK nearly a month earlier than you did in countries covered by the EU. That was your decision. Every country within the EU had the same autonomy as the UK did to grant an emergency license, but we were the only ones that did.

Secondly, the UK is adopting a completely different vaccination strategy to Europe in that we are getting as many as people as possible given their first dose as quickly as possible. It's a calculated scientifically driven gamble and involves giving the second dose after 12 weeks rather than 3. Had you adopted the same strategy then perhaps your father may well have had his first injection by now. Anyway, the over 50s and health workers are all expected to have had their first jab by the middle of April. If anybody healthy aged 32 who is not a health worker has already had their first jab, they are extremely lucky and would most likely have benefitted from being in the right place at the right time.

Thirdly, the USA are now manufacturing more than 130m doses a month. and have a population of 330m. The EU area are manufacturing over 120m doses a month and have a total population of around 440m. The UK is manufacturing less than 10m doses per month and has a population of just under 70m. So both the EU and USA are producing substantially more vaccine doses per head of population than the UK is, but we're suddenly becoming the bad guys here for not exporting any. It's a f'kin joke.

Probably best post in the whole thread. Not a bit of that is incorrect.

 

[tsubaki]

You never answered my question. What was so "obvious" in the post below. You've said it wasn't racism, for which I have already apologised. So what was it?

Do you even read the posts you quote?

I didn't say it wasn't racism; I said I hadn't said I believed him to be a racist - that belief couldn't come from one post on a bulletin board (one post like that, at least).

The post did read as if it was racially tinged though, given that the credit was given to "the people of this country" for the success of the vaccine rollout (which is daft, given how many immigrants the NHS employs and how many of our vaccines were produced abroad), how it was in response to Bruce mentioning a Nigerian bloke who'd been screwed over by the government and finished by saying that he wished there was a vaccine for cry arses. I am not sure how else it could be read, to be honest - perhaps the first bit could be, but the other couple of bits do make it harder to see what the point was.

You then dived in and said it could be read in other ways - which presumably means you agree that it could have been racially tinged too?

 

[Leylo]

Firstly, we started vaccinating in the UK nearly a month earlier than you did in countries covered by the EU. That was your decision. Every country within the EU had the same autonomy as the UK did to grant an emergency license, but we were the only ones that did.

Secondly, the UK is adopting a completely different vaccination strategy to Europe in that we are getting as many as people as possible given their first dose as quickly as possible. It's a calculated scientifically driven gamble and involves giving the second dose after 12 weeks rather than 3. Had you adopted the same strategy then perhaps your father may well have had his first injection by now. Anyway, the over 50s and health workers are all expected to have had their first jab by the middle of April. If anybody healthy aged 32 who is not a health worker has already had their first jab, they are extremely lucky and would most likely have benefitted from being in the right place at the right time.

Thirdly, the USA are now manufacturing more than 130m doses a month. and have a population of 330m. The EU area are manufacturing over 120m doses a month and have a total population of around 440m. The UK is manufacturing less than 10m doses per month and has a population of just under 70m. So both the EU and USA are producing substantially more vaccine doses per head of population than the UK is, but we're suddenly becoming the bad guys here for not exporting any. It's a f'kin joke.

Superb post

 

[Tipp blue]

Firstly, we started vaccinating in the UK nearly a month earlier than you did in countries covered by the EU. That was your decision. Every country within the EU had the same autonomy as the UK did to grant an emergency license, but we were the only ones that did.

Secondly, the UK is adopting a completely different vaccination strategy to Europe in that we are getting as many as people as possible given their first dose as quickly as possible. It's a calculated scientifically driven gamble and involves giving the second dose after 12 weeks rather than 3. Had you adopted the same strategy then perhaps your father may well have had his first injection by now. Anyway, the over 50s and health workers are all expected to have had their first jab by the middle of April. If anybody healthy aged 32 who is not a health worker has already had their first jab, they are extremely lucky and would most likely have benefitted from being in the right place at the right time.

Thirdly, the USA are now manufacturing more than 130m doses a month. and have a population of 330m. The EU area are manufacturing over 120m doses a month and have a total population of around 440m. The UK is manufacturing less than 10m doses per month and has a population of just under 70m. So both the EU and USA are producing substantially more vaccine doses per head of population than the UK is, but we're suddenly becoming the bad guys here for not exporting any. It's a f'kin joke.

Which is why the UK government is so panicked over the potential ban.. the calculated gamble they took could well be seriously harmed by a ban.

 

[Tubey]

Which is why the UK government is so panicked over the potential ban.. the calculated gamble they took could well be seriously harmed by a ban.

City's title chances would be harmed by a 30 point deduction threat too, not sure what the relevance is.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Do you even read the posts you quote?

I didn't say it wasn't racism; I said I hadn't said I believed him to be a racist - that belief couldn't come from one post on a bulletin board (one post like that, at least).

The post did read as if it was racially tinged though, given that the credit was given to "the people of this country" for the success of the vaccine rollout (which is daft, given how many immigrants the NHS employs and how many of our vaccines were produced abroad), how it was in response to Bruce mentioning a Nigerian bloke who'd been screwed over by the government and finished by saying that he wished there was a vaccine for cry arses. I am not sure how else it could be read, to be honest - perhaps the first bit could be, but the other couple of bits do make it harder to see what the point was.

You then dived in and said it could be read in other ways - which presumably means you agree that it could have been racially tinged too?

So you accused him of racism but didn't believe him to be a racist. Have I got that right?. Just checking. I'm quite a simple person really and, in my book, when you accuse somebody of racism you're also calling him out to be a racist.

And yes I did say that it can be read in other ways and in that regard I agree that it could have been racially tinged. But I also gave my reasons why I thought it wasn't.

I think you are a complex character mate, much too complex for a simple person like me to figure out. I have to conclude that i don't understand the nuances of some of your posts which is probably part of the reason we end up arguing all the time. That and the fact that we disagree on just about everything.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Which is why the UK government is so panicked over the potential ban.. the calculated gamble they took could well be seriously harmed by a ban.

Quite possibly. I honestly don't know if we have enough stocks of the Pfizer jab in particular to administer the second jab to those who have already had the first. If we don't then a lot of old vulnerable people will be put at risk if the EU do carry out their threat to withhold future orders.

If that happens it will drive a massive wedge between the UK and the EU and people within the EU who condone such action.

Anyway, that's a completely different issue to your post I responded to.

 

[Leylo]

Do you even read the posts you quote?

I didn't say it wasn't racism; I said I hadn't said I believed him to be a racist - that belief couldn't come from one post on a bulletin board (one post like that, at least).

The post did read as if it was racially tinged though, given that the credit was given to "the people of this country" for the success of the vaccine rollout (which is daft, given how many immigrants the NHS employs and how many of our vaccines were produced abroad), how it was in response to Bruce mentioning a Nigerian bloke who'd been screwed over by the government and finished by saying that he wished there was a vaccine for cry arses. I am not sure how else it could be read, to be honest - perhaps the first bit could be, but the other couple of bits do make it harder to see what the point was.

You then dived in and said it could be read in other ways - which presumably means you agree that it could have been racially tinged too?

But it wasn't, just meant to be upbeat think just got wrong end of the stick .never meant it to come across like that it was meant to praise everyone involved in the vaccine roll out .as for my comment made to Bruce was I was just commenting on something positive for a change that's all. I'm done with it now had enough

 

[Goat]

 

[tsubaki]

So you accused him of racism but didn't believe him to be a racist. Have I got that right?. Just checking. I'm quite a simple person really and, in my book, when you accuse somebody of racism you're also calling him out to be a racist.

And yes I did say that it can be read in other ways and in that regard I agree that it could have been racially tinged. But I also gave my reasons why I thought it wasn't.

I think you are a complex character mate, much too complex for a simple person like me to figure out. I have to conclude that i don't understand the nuances of some of your posts which is probably part of the reason we end up arguing all the time. That and the fact that we disagree on just about everything.

No, I don't believe him to be a racist - on the basis of that post alone, no-one could say that anyone was. I don't know anything about @Leylo, so to go around throwing that allegation around on basically no evidence would be daft. I thought the post might be, and have given the reasons why I think that.

TBF I think the problem here is that many people are kind of focused on this idea of "narratives" (or bias) as if that invalidates what someone's argument is, and then play that card as an alternative to actually reading and understanding what was said.

 

[roydo]

We aint that green line are we?

 

[Goat]

We aint that green line are we?

We sure are.