Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[PaulPowersTash]

It's wrong to wait for evidence - you heard it here first folks.

...and there wasn't "a relatively high risk of death" from not taking it. What an exaggeration.

125,000 dead people in the UK so far might disagree with you if they were alive to do so.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Confidence in Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine takes big hit in Europe - but Britons unaffected - poll

Spain, France, Germany and Italy have all reported lower confidence in the safety of the vaccine following reports of rare blood clots and the temporary suspension of the jab's rollout in some countries, according to YouGov.

In a poll of about 8,000 people in seven European countries, some 55% of Germans said the vaccine was unsafe while less than a third thought it was safe.

French respondents also viewed the jab negatively, with some 61% of those surveyed saying they thought it was unsafe.

In Italy and Spain, most people had previously felt the vacine was safe - at 54% and 59% respectively - but those rates have fallen to 36% and 38% in the latest poll done between 12 and 18 March.

Yet in Britain, 77% of people still say the vaccine is safe, on a par with Pfizer's jab at 79%.

Although at least 13 European countries temporarily stopped administering the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot over concerns, the EU's medicines regulator has since said it is safe.

A large-scale study in the US has also determined the jab is both safe and effective.


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Macron et al should genuinely face trial for this.

But it just about sums Macron up. He is playing politics at the cost of peoples lives.
You are correct. It really is criminal what he has done on this thing. Unforgivable.

 

[edge]

The logic that doesn't hold up regarding the EU banning exports of the AZ vaccine to the UK is this:
The EU have exported vaccines to 31 countries around the world. However, the export ban will only apply to the UK why is this? Also, the EU don't own any vaccines. They don't develop any vaccines and they don't export any vaccines. The privately owned companies that manufacture the vaccines do and they do it under binding legal contracts that have been agreed and signed many month ago.

The AZ vaccine has been ordered by around 70 counties around the world, those orders were taken with the EU capacity in place, if they impose a ban it's not just the UK that will get effected.
Those EU export figures include in large part the UK ordered ones from various companies, AZ and others, they are not due to the benevolence of the EU no matter how the wrap it up.
Three of the countries affected are the UK, The USA, Canada, who manufacture major components of the vaccines, if they react to the ban the EU will be at the mercy of Russia and China to get large scale vaccines as their own vaccines will not be getting made in sufficient numbers or at all.
Politics of madness, with peoples lives and health within the EU and wider a field at risk to prove some point.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

The AZ vaccine has been ordered by around 70 counties around the world, those orders were taken with the EU capacity in place, if they impose a ban it's not just the UK that will get effected.
Those EU export figures include in large part the UK ordered ones from various companies, AZ and others, they are not due to the benevolence of the EU no matter how the wrap it up.
Three of the countries affected are the UK, The USA, Canada, who manufacture major components of the vaccines, if they react to the ban the EU will be at the mercy of Russia and China to get large scale vaccines as their own vaccines will not be getting made in sufficient numbers or at all.
Politics of madness, with peoples lives and health within the EU and wider a field at risk to prove some point.

Exactly this. It's also important to remind the EU (and a few others) that the AZ vaccine was developed at the cost of the UK taxpayers and designed at a price to share freely with the world. The IP and licences were also granted to companies around the world so it could be made globally (UK, EU, Australia & India to name a few). It is a genuine medical miracle and it has been completely degenerated by EU politicians to cover their own shortcomings. From all reports the EU is sitting on a stockpile of circa 12m doses of the AZ vaccine that they don't want to use. It is a 100% political ploy. Absolutely shameful behaviour.

 

[edge]

Exactly this. It's also important to remind the EU (and a few others) that the AZ vaccine was developed at the cost of the UK taxpayers and designed at a price to share freely with the world. The IP and licences were also granted to companies around the world so it could be made globally (UK, EU, Australia & India to name a few). It is a genuine medical miracle and it has been completely degenerated by EU politicians to cover their own shortcomings. From all reports the EU is sitting on a stockpile of circa 12m doses of the AZ vaccine that they don't want to use. It is a 100% political ploy. Absolutely shameful behaviour.

Its daft if they just left the UK alone to finish the job of vaccinating its population, which would mostly be done by autumn, they could have a free run at doing the same for their own people, with a vaccine that's costing them £1.70 a dose for the AZ instead of around the mid-twenties for the Pfizer one, that is harder to handle and administer.
The quicker they get off their high horse the sooner everybody gets the jab.
The people of Europe deserve better than the EU posturing.

 

[BlueToff]

@Neiler has there been any update on Norway's approach with AZ?

 

[Tipp blue]

Exactly this. It's also important to remind the EU (and a few others) that the AZ vaccine was developed at the cost of the UK taxpayers and designed at a price to share freely with the world. The IP and licences were also granted to companies around the world so it could be made globally (UK, EU, Australia & India to name a few). It is a genuine medical miracle and it has been completely degenerated by EU politicians to cover their own shortcomings. From all reports the EU is sitting on a stockpile of circa 12m doses of the AZ vaccine that they don't want to use. It is a 100% political ploy. Absolutely shameful behaviour.

A little bit of fact checking wouldn't do any harm.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler has there been any update on Norway's approach with AZ?

As was mate, still on pause pending investigation, they have rejected the EMA recommendation last Thurs and still have it on pause as do most of the Nordic countries, its expected they will make a decision this week. Norway aren't in the EU and probably worthwhile remembering they are one of the best countries in the world through all this in their management of Covid - so they are not desperate either.

Some more info here: https://www.ft.com/content/0ef3a623-f3a2-4e76-afbd-94a915b24ad5

 

[PaulPowersTash]

A little bit of fact checking wouldn't do any harm.

£65.5 million of funding from the UK government for the AZ vaccine (in other words the taxpayers) is a fact.

 

[Neiler]

£65.5 million of funding from the UK government for the AZ vaccine (in other words the taxpayers) is a fact.

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Both regions contributed to its development:

EU funding​

AstraZeneca was allocated €336 million in public EU funding to help the development and production of its vaccine in collaboration with Oxford University.

 

[Tipp blue]

£65.5 million of funding from the UK government for the AZ vaccine (in other words the taxpayers) is a fact.

300 million from Europe and a billion from USA... its not just UK tax payer, in fact if you want to use that as an argument then UK should be getting less vaccines...

 

[The binman chronicles]

@Neiler has there been any update on Norway's approach with AZ?

They really shouldn't worry about it, think of it this way if loads of people died from having it then there would be no point putting the GPS chip in it to track everyone's movements.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

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Both regions contributed to its development:

EU funding​

AstraZeneca was allocated €336 million in public EU funding to help the development and production of its vaccine in collaboration with Oxford University.

The EU money was to purchase the vaccine - not develop it.

'The European Commission put up a €336 million ($396 million) down payment to secure its first 300 million doses of AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford's coronavirus hopeful, AZD1222, a Commission spokesperson told Reuters Thursday.'

 

[Neiler]

The EU money was to purchase the vaccine - not develop it.

'The European Commission put up a €336 million ($396 million) down payment to secure its first 300 million doses of AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford's coronavirus hopeful, AZD1222, a Commission spokesperson told Reuters Thursday.'

So is the Uks 65.5million:

"Of the total UK funding, £65.5m is for the Covid-19 vaccine being developed at the University of Oxford and the remaining £18.5m for Imperial College London.

The agreement is for the pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca to deliver a total of 100 million doses."

 

[spectateur]

Confidence in Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine takes big hit in Europe - but Britons unaffected - poll

Spain, France, Germany and Italy have all reported lower confidence in the safety of the vaccine following reports of rare blood clots and the temporary suspension of the jab's rollout in some countries, according to YouGov.

In a poll of about 8,000 people in seven European countries, some 55% of Germans said the vaccine was unsafe while less than a third thought it was safe.

French respondents also viewed the jab negatively, with some 61% of those surveyed saying they thought it was unsafe.

In Italy and Spain, most people had previously felt the vacine was safe - at 54% and 59% respectively - but those rates have fallen to 36% and 38% in the latest poll done between 12 and 18 March.

Yet in Britain, 77% of people still say the vaccine is safe, on a par with Pfizer's jab at 79%.

Although at least 13 European countries temporarily stopped administering the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot over concerns, the EU's medicines regulator has since said it is safe.

A large-scale study in the US has also determined the jab is both safe and effective.


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Macron et al should genuinely face trial for this.

Quel sondage ?
Hundreds were queuing round the block in our préfectoral town at the weekend.
And yes it was the AZ vaccine on offer.