Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

Whats going on with the Novavax vaccine? With this slow down in April would have been ideal having another UK based manufactored vaccine ready to go

Won't be approved/distributed until Q3/Q4.

 

[Neiler]

Every paper is biased and promotes its own agenda. there isn't one paper in the UK that's not right or left wing they'll all promote stories that suit their editorial line. I read the Guardian every single day and find that's ridiculously biased but in exactly the opposite direction. You just don't have an unbiased press in this country.

I decide my own views but will copy were if it means getting names correct and the sequence right. There's no point in reinventing the wheel and on the vaccinations issue I think there's no getting away from the fact the EU leadership need a scapegoat.

Its poor journalism mate without partisanship, its just factually incorrect, i dont see how it helps the overall goal of vaccine glasnost.

Im not sure what you mean mate. the EU using the UK as a scapegoat?

 

[davek]

Its poor journalism mate without partisanship, its just factually incorrect, i dont see how it helps the overall goal of vaccine glasnost.

Im not sure what you mean mate. the EU using the UK as a scapegoat?

I wouldn't bother mate. It's all the EU's fault...the ones who were sending millions of vaccine to this country when their own people could have done with the vaccine too.

Imagine defending the government of this country when it's just slaughtered 125,000 people.

Unreal what goes on in some people's heads.

 

[Neiler]

I wouldn't bother mate. It's all the EU's fault...the ones who were sending millions of vaccine to this country when their own people could have done with the vaccine too.

Imagine defending the government of this country when it's just slaughtered 125,000 people.

Unreal what goes on in some people's heads.

Thats why the article from the Telegraph was so ridiculous, away from jingoism and it being factually incorrect, where do people think the Pfizer vaccine to the UK comes from - imagine grinding the plant "to a halt" - even if it was possible, how stupid do you need to be (dont mean anyone on here). lol

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Its poor journalism mate without partisanship, its just factually incorrect, i dont see how it helps the overall goal of vaccine glasnost.

Im not sure what you mean mate. the EU using the UK as a scapegoat?

I don't think it misquoted the Indian owner, but obviously it was concentrating on that Indian story. The alleged poor journalism may be rather more reflective of your own opinions than anything else. It wasn't broadened into a wider context on other suppliers because it was concentrating on the Indian angle and the effect it has on a shortage here.

Of course Pfizer and AZ source ingredients from many different countries it's not a one way street, but that really is stating the blatantly obvious. Yes a paper is more likely to promote certain angles to every story, that's because it is partisan but not necessarily bad journalism.

I find some of the defence of pretty blatant political manoeuvring to save face in the face of a raging pandemic hard to defend, that's possibly the big difference in our views.

I don't think for one minute they'd ever stop exporting ingredients from here, of course not as that would be extremely crass. Any threats are ridiculous and from that point off view it's a non starter. We need all vaccine production everywhere to be uninterrupted, including uninterrupted exports. Stop the attacks on AZ to save their political reputations now

Not everyone thinks that way.

 

[davek]

Thats why the article from the Telegraph was so ridiculous, away from jingoism and it being factually incorrect, where do people think the Pfizer vaccine to the UK comes from - imagine grinding the plant "to a halt" - even if it was possible, how stupid do you need to be (dont mean anyone on here). lol

These companies are global in nature. The thunderous indiocy of some people cheering on one branch of their activities over another branch of it is mind blowing.

 

[peteblue]

I wouldn't bother mate. It's all the EU's fault...the ones who were sending millions of vaccine to this country when their own people could have done with the vaccine too.

Imagine defending the government of this country when it's just slaughtered 125,000 people.

Unreal what goes on in some people's heads.

The EU were not and have not sent any vaccine to anyone. Private companies based in various European countries are manufacturing vaccine and are fulfilling orders. The fact that millions of doses of vaccine have been sent from European countries to the U.K., USA and a great many others is just a reflection on the fact that the EU was slow to order and slow to approve the vaccines.

The U.K. has indeed tragically lost a great many people to this Chinese virus, however it is also saving a great number of people thanks to it developing, manufacturing and rolling out a vaccine that some European countries have done their best to undermine. The EU and EMA in this instance have at least been sensible and honest.

We have nothing to blame the EU or any of its countries for as they have no effect upon our own vaccine rollout, which will continue unabated .....

 

[Neiler]

I don't think it misquoted the Indian owner, but obviously it was concentrating on that Indian story. The alleged poor journalism may be rather more reflective of your own opinions than anything else. It wasn't broadened into a wider context on other suppliers because it was concentrating on the Indian angle and the effect it has on a shortage here.

Of course Pfizer and AZ source ingredients from many different countries it's not a one way street, but that really is stating the blatantly obvious. Yes a paper is more likely to promote certain angles to every story, that's because it is partisan but not necessarily bad journalism.

I find some of the defence of pretty blatant political manoeuvring to save face in the face of a raging pandemic hard to defend, that's possibly the big difference in our views.

Sorry mate, the extract you posted had nothing about India in it.

Im not defending anyone really, ill critiuqe and praise both the EU and UK on the good and bads of their handling of Covid and vaccine roll out. TBH i hope they both equally get on and i think they will.

There will be nothing between them in the end in my personal opinion, which is why i find the jingoism dead weird and why i query some of the validity of the stuff on here. I dont think the EU are doing as poorly as everyone makes out here, but i can understand that because i think its been a horrible year for UK and the vaccine roll out has been well done and a good news story, its been great for the countries morale and its nice to get a win.

I dont agree with what the UK do morally with their supply chain and many of the things i think you have posted about India and the US this morning are symptomatic of the UK and ive posted loads on that - they are personal opinions however and we likely wont have our twains meeting.

I dont think there is a purposeful political agenda against AZ - i dont agree with what France did yesterday, but i think decisions around AZ have been made with the best clinical intentions at the time - many EU decsions have been cautious, perhaps to cautious on reflection, but i do see logic in them to mitigate potential risk and for that reason i can understand them, i dont think they are politically motivated. Id agree with you though on Macron i think hes been irresponsible around AZ personally.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

These companies are global in nature. The thunderous indiocy of some people cheering on one branch of their activities over another branch of it is mind blowing.

Reckon you have to put it down to deflection...

 

[spectateur]

These companies are global in nature. The thunderous indiocy of some people cheering on one branch of their activities over another branch of it is mind blowing.

As I have commented before, international multinational big pharma has most governments under its influence.
We are witnessing big pharma turf wars.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Sorry mate, the extract you posted had nothing about India in it.

Im not defending anyone really, ill critiuqe and praise both the EU and UK on the good and bads of their handling of Covid and vaccine roll out. TBH i hope they both equally get on and i think they will.

There will be noting between them in the end in my personal opinion, which is why i find the jingoism dead weird and why i query some of the validity of the stuff on here. I dont think the EU are doing as poorly as everyone makes out here, but i can understand that because i think its been a horrible year for UK and the vaccine roll out has been well done and a good news story, its been great for the countries morale and its nice to get a win.

I dont agree with what the UK do morally with their supply chain and many of the things i think you have posted about India and the US this morning are symptomatic of the UK and ive posted loads on that - they are personal opinions however and we likely wont have our twains meeting.

I dont think their is a purposeful agenda against AZ - i dont agree with what France did yesterday, but i think decisions around AZ have been made with the best clinical intentions at the time - many EU decsions have been cautious, perhaps to cautious on reflection, but i do see logic in them to mitigate potential risk and for that reason i can understand them, i dont think they are politically motivated. Id agree with you though on Macron i think hes been irresponsible around AZ personally.

Apologies for reflecting on both when you were referencing the Pfizer story but as mentioned it's a fairly empty threat as just impossible to contemplate.

Of course the major vaccine suppliers source from many countries but essentially there shouldn't be threats to blockade any ingredients or complete vaccines from any. I'm not championing one supplier over another as some idiot has implied but then that's par for the course from him. It's important there are no national barriers put up, no trade embargoes instituted.

Unfortunately politics gets in the way and some will find it convenient to attack AZ, their reputation has taken a hammering and there are now fears it's starting to affect people in this country too.

 

[Neiler]

Apologies for reflecting on both when you were referencing the Pfizer story but as mentioned it's a fairly empty threat as just impossible to contemplate.

Of course the major vaccine suppliers source from many countries but essentially there shouldn't be threats to blockade any ingredients or complete vaccines from any. I'm not championing one supplier over another as some idiot has implied but then that's par for the course from him. It's important there are no national barriers put up, no trade embargoes instituted.

Unfortunately politics gets in the way and some will find it convenient to attack AZ, their reputation has taken a hammering and there are now fears it's starting to affect people this country too.

I sincerely hope that not the case with AZ its a really good vaccine mate. I also think there has to be way forward, there has to be open mindedness and discussion between the EU and UK in terms of exports and contract obligations and a middle ground found in my opinion, else wise i do think there will be an escalation as weeks pass.

Away from the vaccine itself i think AZ has been a bit duplicitous with both the Eu & UK.

 

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[grandjoeblue]

Theres never going to be zero covid. I don't really see how anyone thinks we'll ever get to that point.

 

[peteblue]

I sincerely hope that not the case with AZ its a really good vaccine mate. I also think there has to be way forward, there has to be open mindedness and discussion between the EU and UK in terms of exports and contract obligations and a middle ground found in my opinion, else wise i do think there will be an escalation as weeks pass.

Away from the vaccine itself i think AZ has been a bit duplicitous with both the Eu & UK.

Theres nothing really to escalate, as this graphic shows...



The EU can potentially only withhold 14.4 million doses of Pfizer, we already have given or hold 25.6 million. The U.K. is mainly going with the AZ vaccine of which we have given or hold 23.2 million. The U.K. can manufacture its own vaccine. So if VDL really is stupid enough to ban the export of 14.4 million doses, enough for 7.2 million Europeans out of 450 million, and put future potential doses of U.K. manufactured AZ at risk then she really should resign. No wonder Boris, Hancock and co are so relaxed about it.....