Again i dont know what im looking at and what is the source - please dont be the telegraph.
Where is Seneffe?
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Again i dont know what im looking at and what is the source - please dont be the telegraph.
Where is Seneffe?
Society will cope with a few thousand deaths. We already knew COVID will still kill people, but it won't kill hundreds go thousands.
From a selfish point of view...
I lost all of my work this time last year for 3 months, had to rely on universal credit (£200-300 a month) to pay my bills, all my savings went (didn't have much as I went to NZ in 2019 and basically had earmarked 2020 with the Euros and Olympics and some freelance work at Glasto to boost my earnings).
I've fortunately got my main job back but lost the other lot.
I haven't seen my nana, who is 80 and has dementia, in 4 months now, other than through a window. I've spoke to her on the phone but it's always just the same conversation, obviously, because she can't remember a thing.
I've seen my sister, who is pregnant, once since Xmas.
I've just started going round to my mum and dad's a few times a week, because they've both now had their first jabs (I know it's not like they're fully protected, but I was fed up of not seeing them other than an odd walk or bike ride).
All of the above may not be morally vital causes, but they're incredibly important things to me which I've given up.
We had people on here saying that vigil - much like the BLM protests last year etc - was fine, because it's a good cause. Well, me having a job, or being able to see my family, is a good cause, but I've given it up. And this isn't as an individual sob story - millions of people around the world are doing the same thing.
So given we're so close, and in 3 weeks' time they'll be able to go and have a legal gathering outside if they want, and in May that gathering can be even bigger, and in June they can gather to their hearts' intent, it really p***** me off. And all it has led to is, like @Tubey says, muddying the waters. We can't just make ourselves moral judges of what is and isn't allowed based on whether we think a cause is just (which in the recent vigils it obviously was).
That's also not the same as suggesting people shouldn't be able to protest or that in a few months' time we should stand for any such restrictions.
I’m in a really similar boat to you really, albeit I’ve been incredibly lucky that I’ve remained in my job. It’s been horrible not seeing them all and it’s been really tough having missed my mum being ill (and thankfully getting better). It’s a really weird combination of knowing you are doing the right thing and guilt for not being there. The guilt has definitely driven how strict/militant I’ve been about lockdown. It definitely caused low tolerance levels for people breaking restrictions to party etc. ive softened my view more recently as all my loved ones have had at least 1 jab.
All that said, I’m really conflicted about protests and tend to swing between being against and being ok with it. Breaking rules is breaking rules and it’s increasing the risks for everyone at a time when we are at an inflection point for having some control and can see a return to normality.
but on the other hand, suppressing protest for whatever reason is a slippery slope that doesn’t sit well with me. The anger that must have been felt around BLM and more recently the experience of women, must have been extreme. both are a deep rooted anger that has been felt for a long time. these issues have been talked about for a long time and largely ignored (in that the status quo hasn’t changed) and some ways (like economically for women during this particular recession) the effects of lockdown has impacted those groups more than others.
Im really conflicted about it if I’m honest and can see both sides. I’d tend to be on the ‘lockdown is lockdown’ side of things but telling people what a suitable form of protest is kinda defeats the point (and is slightly problematic in itself).
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Thats the important thing. As long as its a reasonable number and hospitals can cope thats all we can do. Birth rates are plummeting, mental health is devastated and devastating economic impact is still to come. COVID is not the only thing to worry about.
This has to be the last lockdown and things have to be open by May. I'd imagine a large percentage of people who are currently adhering to the measures will soon start to change their minds if this continues.
Vaccine done.
@davek was right tho, I walked in and there was 80 people all doing the conga around the Doctors, no social distancing at all........
ELEgiggle.
Place was empty, I walked in, said my name, went down a corridor, Dr came out, HESS HESS in the arm and out the back door, less than 1minute from start to finish.
I tell you what tho, it hurts like hell!!!
@davek was right tho, I walked in and there was 80 people all doing the conga around the Doctors, no social distancing at all........
ELEgiggle.
Place was empty, I walked in, said my name, went down a corridor, Dr came out, HESS HESS in the arm and out the back door, less than 1minute from start to finish.
I tell you what tho, it hurts like hell!!!
Biden could lift COVID international travel restrictions in mid-MAY
The international travel restrictions for the US have been in place since March last year when the COVID-19 pandemic broke out.
A bit of hope for our wedding trip to America at the end of May
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I haven't watched the video because I don't particularly like the guy or think he's particularly good at his job. But i don't know why anybody is surprised at the article. This information is all detailed in the SAGE minutes which have been in the public domain since last July.
As I have said in here a few times, they make really interesting reading, especially for all those who believe that the politicians were not following scientific advice during the early part of the pandemic. Where the Government failed badly was in not showing leadership during those times. They should have been actively managing the information coming out of SAGE and questioning the advice where required. Such as closing borders, (the subject matter here), but also mask usage, mass gatherings, the policy of using NHS and PHE only facilities for testing, and also PPE (they were told early on that we had sufficient PPE, not realising that the majority of it was out of date and also the wrong type having been purchased to deal with influenza). We know now, with the benefit of hindsight, that all of these things contributed to our poor management of the virus initially, and that is because we did indeed follow the advice "blindly" as the OP eloquently out it lol. Strong ministerial oversight and leadership was required at that point, and it was sadly missing. How many of us were sitting here wondering why we weren't closing our borders to those countries badly effected by the virus, and allowing mass gatherings like Cheltenham and football matches to take place. We all saw what was happening in Italy and Spain.
The other big issue at the time was that we closed down probably a couple of weeks too late. This is also something else that is explained in SAGE minutes and I am shocked that none of the main news outlets have made a story out of it. It involves our old friend Professor Ferguson. His statistics team were providing the SAGE meetings with upto date information on where the UK was on the infections curve, which was the main tool being used to decide the optimum time to shut down. Up until 10 March, it was believed that we were 4/6 weeks behind Italy on the curve. However the SAGE minutes from Friday 13th March contained a one line sentence saying that the ICL stats team had been working on stats that were 2 weeks out of date, and that we were a lot further along the infection curve than previously believed. The next SAGE meeting was on Monday 16th and that was when Johnson addressed the nation and told them to stay at home and those at risk to self isolate. He should have actually shut down the economy that day too but that wasn't done until the Friday. But a stupid error of the ICL believing the stats it was getting from PHE was upto date when it wasn't, was possibly the single biggest factor that led to so many extra deaths in the UK. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
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Did yours hurt getting injected mate or you mean it hurts now? I didn't even realise she'd injected me and felt great until 5.30am the next morning when my head felt liked I'd been forced to sit through the 1000 most painful Everton memories and excruciating defeats
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I'm sorry but Pfizer chose Croda for a reason and in spite of Brexit. It was clearly the best place to source the product it needed, and if they weren't concerned about the source of that product drying up they wouldn't be complaining to EU about it.
The EU is bullying here and that may sit well with you but it doesn't with me, especially when the well being of millions of UK citizens is on the line if they carry out the threat re the Pfizer vaccine.
Your lucky, the Saint Helens rugby team where practicing passing drills in the room I had mine in.
Thats where I had mine.
When i got there the queue was starting to swell. So i got out the car a little earlier than i should and walked over.
The stewards asked if i had booked my second dose ( "bloody hell havent had the 1st yet ") "dont stand in the queue they said, just walk to them double doors these are all GP & Hospital referals" .
Temperature done, change mask, book in , jabbed ( by a retired Doc from the Wirral , Main stand season ticket holder !!! ) waited 10 mins then " off you go luvvy"
Superb start to finish , roll on the 2nd.
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Must be galling for many countries who sit within the EU hearing the UK government and its sycophantic press, knowing that 10 mill doses of vaccines have left EU plants for the UK. 0 vaccines have been exported by the UK.
It hurt going in, normally its just a prick, but this 1 hurt, which I've never had before with a needle.
Its a bit achy now, but nothing to cry about.
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