Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

That's not an accurate reflection of what people have experienced here.

Go to any of the vaccination centres apart from very late on in the day and there will likely as not be a queue and wait. That's ok if the protocols are all in place and observed. I accept they mostly will be, especially at NHS sites. But 25 million jabs in 3 months under these conditions will surely lead to short cuts and inefficiency. It's just natural.

Again, you are just wrong. "Go to any vax site and there will be a queue".

Tell me, how many have you been to? (If the answer is loads, then unless you are a nurse, your selfish vax tour has put others at risk).

I have driven past 2 every day since god knows when. Local ones, which dont operate every day. I have once seen a queue. It was all masked, and SD. 15 minutes later, when I drove home, the queue was gone.

Perhaps they all dropped dead.

 

[COYBL25]

Just had my second jab.... turned up on time, they recorded my details, check my temperature, asked if I’d had any symptoms or a negative test in last 28 days, escorted me to the main area where a nurse again checked my details, I was then allocated another nurse who took me to his table and gave me the jab, I was then escorted to a waiting area where I was monitored for 15 minutes before being allowed to leave.... fantastic organisation and service.

It must`ve been a bit of a squeeze, fitting you all into the back alley at the back of Stavro`s takeaway.

Did you have to move the wheelie bins out onto the road to make room, or where they using them as makeshift tables, to store the vaccine on ?

 

[Kurt.]

It must`ve been a bit of a squeeze, fitting you all into the back alley at the back of Stavro`s takeaway.

Did you have to move the wheelie bins out onto the road to make room, or where they using them as makeshift tables, to store the vaccine on ?

They turned them on their sides and used them as waiting pods

 

[Tubey]

Exactly.

Everyone please read this from @ramacca .

Won't be anywhere near that. Overly pessimistic to cover their own arses.

 

[Tubey]

To put into context, we've had approx. 125,000 deaths through a year of this pandemic with no therapeutic treatment, no inherent antibodies, starting with a completely 'fresh' population to infect and no vaccines.

And we're meant to believe that over the next year or so we'll get half of that again dying with everything we have now in place?

Nah. No chance. Zero. A better estimate would be 15,000-20,000 at the very max, and that's me being VERY negative.

 

[BlueToff]

Do you believe tens of thousands more dead constitutes 'limiting the numbers'?

The hope is it's not going to be 10s of thousands.

It'd be 30,000 if they rush it beyond the current dates - which are the earliest dates but can be pushed back.

 

[BlueToff]

To put into context, we've had approx. 125,000 deaths through a year of this pandemic with no therapeutic treatment, no inherent antibodies, starting with a completely 'fresh' population to infect and no vaccines.

And we're meant to believe that over the next year or so we'll get half of that again dying with everything we have now in place?

Nah. No chance. Zero. A better estimate would be 15,000-20,000 at the very max, and that's me being VERY negative.

Precisely.

Which is actually what Whitty implied the other day. It's if there's an earlier push on the restrictions easing than the roadmap suggests, that we would likely see up to 30k extra deaths.

We're in the first stage now, and we'll see the results of it at the end of the month.

 

[ramacca]

I could be wrong, but was he not indicating that 30,000 figure would happen if we opened up earlier than has been planned? I certainly hope that is what he meant.

Imperial modelling,

Imperial College London: Unlocking roadmap ccenarios for England, 18 February 2021

"Scenarios 5a and 5b where NPIs return to Tier-1 like restrictions on 27th April and 11th May 2021, and are fully lifted on 16th July 2021, result in a smaller but prolonged wave of hospitalisations compared to the current wave, and lead to an additional 55,000 (95%CrI:33,200 - 81,200) and 54,800 (95%CrI: 32,600 - 82,900) deaths, respectively". Between March 2021 and June 2022.

Additionally, Warwick modelling says very similar, page 6 the graphs


University of Warwick : Roadmaps for Relaxation of NPIs - 15 February 2021

Whitty's 30 000 deaths was referring to the roadmap dates being changed to earlier, as some have wanted. Imperial and Warwick give deaths from Covid when opening up at differing times.

 

[COYBL25]

That's not an accurate reflection of what people have experienced here.

Go to any of the vaccination centres apart from very late on in the day and there will likely as not be a queue and wait. That's ok if the protocols are all in place and observed. I accept they mostly will be, especially at NHS sites. But 25 million jabs in 3 months under these conditions will surely lead to short cuts and inefficiency. It's just natural.

Utter utter nonsense.

Having answered the call for volunteers nurses and hospital staff, to assist with the vaccination programme, my missus, who was already qualified to vaccinate, recently spent most of one weekend, in her free time on the computer ( like hundreds of others ) fulfilling the necessary red tape requirements, before being allowed to vaccinate.

As a result, she now vaccinates people on her days off ( when required ), at whichever vaccination centre in Merseyside she is sent to.

So far, she`s worked at Saints rugby club, the Village Hotel in Whiston, and Liverpool Hope College in Childwall.

On the occasions that she`s worked, the medical staff have been assisted by members of the Saint John Ambulance, the Territorial Army and also members of the public who`ve volunteered and been trained up. So there are staff everywhere making the sure the whole place runs like clockwork.

Not once has she mentioned any kind of problem, other than people turning up early, due to them being so keen to get vaccinated. If this happens they`re sent back to their cars to wait until their correct time. There`s staff everywhere making sure that people aren`t bunching and everyone is keeping their distance.

You`ve moved from trying to scare off people from getting the vaccine, to trying to scare people about the vaccination centres, by painting this false picture of almost a free for all at the vaccination centres.

You know what, if you don`t like it, it`s quite simple, don`t go and get vaccinated.

 

[Tubey]

Precisely.

Which is actually what Whitty implied the other day. It's if there's an earlier push on the restrictions easing than the roadmap suggests, that we would likely see up to 30k extra deaths.

We're in the first stage now, and we'll see the results of it at the end of the month.

Let's play it out. On the fly math but whatever, just a quick go.

66 million population in UK. 125,000 people have died. That's 0.19% of our population.

Let's go negative and say vaccines have 50% efficacy. Let's go negative again and say we get 50% take-up of vaccines by July.

So 18m people approx. would be protected completely by that estimate.

Let's go negative and say the vaccine success at stopping hospitalisation is 50%.

So out of the remaining 48m people, 24m of those wouldn't be hospitalised.

Let's go negative and say COVID has a 1% lethality rate across all age groups, and let's say everyone got infected with COVID and nobody in that 24m group has antibodies already or anything.

So in the worst case, possible, everything going wrong that could possibly go wrong, more chance of winning the lottery 100x in a row, 240,000 people would die from COVID.

And I'm meant to believe 50,000 people will die over the next 12-18 months from this.

Nah.

 

[davek]

Again, you are just wrong. "Go to any vax site and there will be a queue".

Tell me, how many have you been to? (If the answer is loads, then unless you are a nurse, your selfish vax tour has put others at risk).

I have driven past 2 every day since god knows when. Local ones, which dont operate every day. I have once seen a queue. It was all masked, and SD. 15 minutes later, when I drove home, the queue was gone.

Perhaps they all dropped dead.

I dont visit vaccination hubs with a clipborad.

I am told by others who have had their jabs and without exception they report a 30-35 minute process. The socially distancing varies from spot-on to casual.

When I get mine I'll be able to appreciate what's going on more - and good, bad or indifferent I'll say what happened here.

All this is is an attempt to gather info on people's experiences. Why is it being seen as a threat to the vaccine roll out? That's the impression I get. Cant we have an idea of what's going on in these places without it descending to a binary conflict over super-efficient or a shambles?

 

[spectateur]

Well, here in France I got my first Pfizer vaccination yesterday. I have an appointment for the second jab in 3
weeks time.
I have experienced no reactions at all to this first jab.
Extremely efficient and stress free procedure. First my appointment and health card details were checked. Then a medical questionnaire with a doctor, then the jab done by a nurse. In this case a paramedic from the pompiers.(fire and rescue).
15 minutes rest under observation then away.
Can't wait for the 31st. March.

 

[davek]

Utter utter nonsense.

Having answered the call for volunteers nurses and hospital staff, to assist with the vaccination programme, my missus, who was already qualified to vaccinate, recently spent most of one weekend, in her free time on the computer ( like hundreds of others ) fulfilling the necessary red tape requirements, before being allowed to vaccinate.

As a result, she now vaccinates people on her days off ( when required ), at whichever vaccination centre in Merseyside she is sent to.

So far, she`s worked at Saints rugby club, the Village Hotel in Whiston, and Liverpool Hope College in Childwall.

On the occasions that she`s worked, the medical staff have been assisted by members of the Saint John Ambulance, the Territorial Army and also members of the public who`ve volunteered and been trained up. So there are staff everywhere making the sure the whole place runs like clockwork.

Not once has she mentioned any kind of problem, other than people turning up early, due to them being so keen to get vaccinated. If this happens they`re sent back to their cars to wait until their correct time. There`s staff everywhere making sure that people aren`t bunching and everyone is keeping their distance.

You`ve moved from trying to scare off people from getting the vaccine, to trying to scare people about the vaccination centres, by painting this false picture of almost a free for all at the vaccination centres.

You know what, if you don`t like it, it`s quite simple, don`t go and get vaccinated.

Hold on, what "false picture" am I portraying? I'm asking others for their experience and theylre giving it. If you're offended by that dont read what they have to say. I dont tell them what there experience is or try and spin their experiences.

This is just being confrontational for confrontation sake.

 

[roydo]

Hold on, what "false picture" am I portraying? I'm asking others for their experience and theylre giving it. If you're offended by that dont read what they have to say. I dont tell them what there experience is or try and spin their experiences.

This is just being confrontational for confrontation sake.

It was you that had heard "anecdotal evidence" of "Packed rooms with poor ventilation" at vax sites.

Pretty much everyone else, who have actually had a jab, have countered that with "bollox".

Thats a pretty false picture.

 

[PhilM]

Just had my second jab.... turned up on time, they recorded my details, check my temperature, asked if I’d had any symptoms or a negative test in last 28 days, escorted me to the main area where a nurse again checked my details, I was then allocated another nurse who took me to his table and gave me the jab, I was then escorted to a waiting area where I was monitored for 15 minutes before being allowed to leave.... fantastic organisation and service.

I had my first jab today. I wasn't driving - my colleague was - so I didn't have to wait the fifteen minutes, which meant I was in and out in less than five minutes.

Incredibly well organised and if they keep that up then they'll fly through the population.