Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Yeh I agree. Say Goodison with 10,000 there I'm all for it. 2 hours with people pretty nearby but good measures in place seems achieveable. 72 hours of people packed together like sardines is another matter.

The timeline just doesn't make sense to me. I know the summer will be much lower risk but as I said before the gaps are weird, its 0 to a hundred in 6 weeks basically. Up until the end of May its all very restricted.

If Reading cancel themselves, they will probably lose much more money than being told by the government that they can't go ahead.

I'll still be surprised if they go ahead. I think things will still be scaled back slightly. Telling everyone June or whenever will be 'back to normal' is a big mistake and something you thought they would have learnt from last time.

They should have left it on the May restrictions.
 
No. You dont have it right.

What made you think I wanted to see a mass event for it?
No. It would be a well orgnaised socially distanced remembrance for the dead so far from Covid19. Almost more people lost their lives with Covid19 than the civilian casulaties of the 2nd world war.

You know that governing party that usually loves to have days of remembrance - dont you think its a bit odd for them not to have one for this? Or d'you think they dont want to put a dampner on the return to collosal mass consumerism they want to happen now?
That, I’m presuming you would want representatives from the 120,000’s families plus the NHS, Government and Royalty to be present yes?
 
If Reading cancel themselves, they will probably lose much more money than being told by the government that they can't go ahead.

I'll still be surprised if they go ahead. I think things will still be scaled back slightly. Telling everyone June or whenever will be 'back to normal' is a big mistake and something you thought they would have learnt from last time.

They should have left it on the May restrictions.

yep, the government should be making decisions regarding festivals or any other mass attended event....
 
I guess my thinking is we need to take advantage of the summer dip, not to just use it as a chance for a free for all- which however you spin it, massive attendance at festivals basically is. It’s just not necessary IMO.

This is the problem with the normality/lockdown debate. And it’s what the government continually gets wrong. They think that people are desperate for 100% 2019 normality ASAP. They are so desperate for good PR that they will do anything that seems like it will be popular.

When in reality, I think most people accept and understand we’re in an extraordinary situation. A majority of people I believe simply want to be able to go about their daily lives without too many restrictions and without fear. What does this mean? To me it means if you want to pop to town for a mooch with your mates you can. You’ll still have to wear a mask probably but that’s alright. If you want to go for a meal with your partner you can, just be prepared to wear a mask upon arrival. A drink in the pub with mates? It’s table service only and no more than say 10 of you at a table. Sunday dinner with grandparents from both sides and maybe other extended family? Go for it, everyone has had both doses of the vaccine hopefully. Hit the gym/ play some sports? We need to tackle obesity so crack on. And despite what some people think about furlough and employment grants etc, a lot of people do just want to go back to work and get out the house. To me, these are really basic, kind of small things that people really want. Things massively beneficial to your mental and physical health. Until we get these aspects of daily life back, talk of big events etc is very premature.

I’ve been to Leeds festival. Three times. Saw Metallica. Maybe took some illegal substances (Don’t tell my parents). Is it necessary this year? I’m going to have to say no. Like I said originally, we need to be able to get through winter without a lockdown. That should be the number one priority for 2021. We also need to reduce restrictions to the minimum we can get away with, so that peoples lives are not as depressing as they are now. That’s the balance that needs to be struck. These festivals don’t help with that.
This is the thing though.

Bar about 2/3 months all told, we've had to give up anything not deemed 'necessary'.

If Leeds and Reading can go ahead, let them go ahead. We'll be in the same situation this time next year if nobody takes the step and actually tries it.

If the cases have risen too much or there's too much uncertainty, then they'll be cancelled. But right now, it's five months away. And those festivals are 2 months after June 21st, are at least a month after every single adult will have had at least their first jab (and that's a conservative estimate - I'm in the last group and still due in May) and anybody who is vulnerable will have had both jabs long before it too.

Let's just wait and see but as it stands they can go ahead. People were just using NZ as a shining example because they had festivals and gigs on, and they haven't got a widespread vaccination program, which ultimately is as good for suppressing the virus and being able to function as a society as locking yourself away.

I'm not bothered if Leeds does or doesn't go ahead, but it's going to have to at some point... whether this year or next doesn't really make a difference if (big if) the vaccine is fully out there, which by then, it will be.
 
If Reading cancel themselves, they will probably lose much more money than being told by the government that they can't go ahead.

I'll still be surprised if they go ahead. I think things will still be scaled back slightly. Telling everyone June or whenever will be 'back to normal' is a big mistake and something you thought they would have learnt from last time.

They should have left it on the May restrictions.
People keep saying this. Literally nothing happened last summer, we didn't have a vaccine, and the rates stayed flat until the end of September/start of October, coinciding with schools, unis and the weather turning.

The June 21st thing is to give people hope. Because the May restrictions are still restrictions.
 
A friend from Slovakia

"So the current mess about who should get a vaccine in Slovakia means I might be able to get one already on Tuesday. It is Astra Zeneca, as I am only 30...pfizer is not available in my age group/profession...it sounds more reliable to be honest, but still...I am going for it."
 
That, I’m presuming you would want representatives from the 120,000’s families plus the NHS, Government and Royalty to be present yes?
No. That would be ridiculous. Why would all the families of the dead be involved, and who would want the organisation that killed most of them there?

This is how the Spaniards approached it...

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Regardless of that, the point is that we shouldn't have music festivals and a Euro Championship being 'celebrated' after a human catastrophe without first marking that.

Maybe I'm wrong?
 
People keep saying this. Literally nothing happened last summer, we didn't have a vaccine, and the rates stayed flat until the end of September/start of October, coinciding with schools, unis and the weather turning.

The June 21st thing is to give people hope. Because the May restrictions are still restrictions.
Sure I read somewhere quite recently that the crowds on the beaches in the summer had little impact on infections.

At least at a festival all the mess would be getting cleaned up.

Still think that the chances of them are going ahead unless cases and hospitalisations are very low.
 
No. That would be ridiculous. Why would all the families of the dead be involved, and who would want the organisation that killed most of them there?

This is how the Spaniards approached it...

p08l02jl.jpg


Regardless of that, the point is that we shouldn't have music festivals and a Euro Championship being 'celebrated' after a human catastrophe without first marking that.

Maybe I'm wrong?
We shouldn’t have large scale festivals I agree but crowds at football games are doable with social distancing

I’m sure there will be some sort or commemoration for the lost either with a service or a long term reminder like a display wall or something
 
We shouldn’t have large scale festivals I agree but crowds at football games are doable with social distancing

I’m sure there will be some sort or commemoration for the lost either with a service or a long term reminder like a display wall or something
Do you think that this tory shower will hold a commemorative event in memory of those whose deaths in which they have been complicit?
 
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