Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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A vaccine is meant to trigger enough anti-bodies to mimic the virus and fight off infection - enough people get it then a herd immunity on scientific terms is achieved....but we know that enough wont get it and that variants will always be with us and the vaccines will need adaptation - and I'm saying that just wont be possible.

Doesn’t look like escape is that quick even with 50% on their first dose.

The comparison is based on Irelands population of i.e 9mill vs 5 mill.

They are rolling out Pfizer of course.

 

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Doesn’t look like escape is that quick even with 50% on their first dose.

The comparison is based on Irelands population of i.e 9mill vs 5 mill.

They are rolling out Pfizer of course.

Actually I got that wrong it’s a comparison with Englands population - so the comparative figures for “here” is actually England.

 

[davek]

Doesn’t look like escape is that quick even with 50% on their first dose.

The comparison is based on Irelands population of i.e 9mill vs 5 mill.

They are rolling out Pfizer of course.

As she goes on to say in her next tweet, the pay off seems to be in terms of reducing fatality rate significantly.

The point stands though that we cant rely on vaccines to do the heavy lifting here or anywhere else.

There's a massive media and government push to put out all the positive stories in order to prepare for the economy's reopening and getting people back out into retail and bars and restaurants to buy stuff. The vaccines are being weaponised here to imply they'll be enough. Any scientist worth their salt will tell you it wont be and that extreme caution is the order of the day: basically, be prepared to lockdown again if a surge is seen when reopening schools in particular.

No one wants that info though. You can see on here the Pollyanna's wishful thinking their way to vaccine liberation day. It's a cruel deceit.

 

[Tubey]

Doesn’t look like escape is that quick even with 50% on their first dose.

The comparison is based on Irelands population of i.e 9mill vs 5 mill.

They are rolling out Pfizer of course.

Massively driven by the youngest population yet to be immunised in Israel and, as she notes, massively reduced serious illness/death.

Nobody is expecting COVID to disappear post-vaccine; we're just expecting the effects of it to be mitigated to a drastic extent.

 

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As she goes on to say in her next tweet, the pay off seems to be in terms of reducing fatality rate significantly.

The point stands though that we cant rely on vaccines to do the heavy lifting here or anywhere else.

There's a massive media and government push to put out all the positive stories in order to prepare for the economy's reopening and getting people back out into retail and bars and restaurants to buy stuff. The vaccines are being weaponised here to imply they'll be enough. Any scientist worth their salt will tell you it wont be and that extreme caution is the order of the day: basically, be prepared to lockdown again if a surge is seen when reopening schools in particular.

No one wants that info though. You can see on here the Pollyanna's wishful thinking their way to vaccine liberation day. It's a cruel deceit.

That’s what the data seems to indicate mate a reduction in severe cases and deaths, but they are doing the 21 day dosing strategy with Pfizer.

It seems based on Israel’s figures that vaccine % while useful in protecting against severe illness and deaths it might not be the one way ticket to Gomorrah, certainly at one dose. They are very close to the magical 60% (herd) of the population of first doses and case incidence is still very high at 5.9%. Over here at the moment with a slow rollout and lockdown we are just North of 4% case incidence.

Might be that the vaccine is part of the solution with other weapons.

 

[Billy Dean]

Shame what's happening in GER with the AZ vaccine. Macron, Frank Montgomery and Handelsblatt (and others) come out in the press saying it's not effective and now thousands are refusing it. There's a big offensive in the media at the moment to convince people it's a good vaccine, but remains to be seen if that will have the desired effect, at least in big numbers. But just come out in the press that the government is now considering opening up the AZ vaccine to everyone who wants one regardless of age, health etc as of April. I'd be absolutely buzzing if they go ahead with that

 

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Shame what's happening in GER with the AZ vaccine. Macron, Frank Montgomery and Handelsblatt (and others) come out in the press saying it's not effective and now thousands are refusing it. There's a big offensive in the media at the moment to convince people it's a good vaccine, but remains to be seen if that will have the desired effect, at least in big numbers. But just come out in the press that the government is now considering opening up the AZ vaccine to everyone who wants one regardless of age, health etc as of April. I'd be absolutely buzzing if they go ahead with that

It’s really sad to see mate. The best vaccine is the one you are offered and grab it.

4 out of 5, AZ vaccines in The EU at the moment are going unused.

AZ won’t be happy, they have taken a massive reputational hit in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks a PR disaster for all involved - no winners.

 

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[grandjoeblue]

Massively driven by the youngest population yet to be immunised in Israel and, as she notes, massively reduced serious illness/death.

Nobody is expecting COVID to disappear post-vaccine; we're just expecting the effects of it to be mitigated to a drastic extent.

Exactly, I couldn't care less if I end up catching COVID with zero symptoms.

The vaccines are the game changer.

 

[Billy Dean]

It’s really sad to see mate. The best vaccine is the one you are offered and grab it.

4 out of 5, AZ vaccines in The EU at the moment are going unused.

AZ won’t be happy, they have taken a massive reputational hit in one of the worlds biggest trading blocks a PR disaster for all involved - no winners.

I didn't realise it was that bad across the whole EU. J&J about to be approved soon too I think. IIRC theirs is even less effective so I guess we'll see the same thing with that. But I guess if they just get opened up to all (relatively) young and healthy people then there's a silver lining at least.

The funny thing is people are turning it down and no having no vaccine at all instead which is even less effective lol

 

[davek]

That’s what the data seems to indicate mate a reduction in severe cases and deaths, but they are doing the 21 day dosing strategy with Pfizer.

It seems based on Israel’s figures that vaccine % while useful in protecting against severe illness and deaths it might not be the one way ticket to Gomorrah, certainly at one dose. They are very close to the magical 60% (herd) of the population of first doses and case incidence is still very high at 5.9%. Over here at the moment with a slow rollout and lockdown we are just North of 4% case incidence.

Might be that the vaccine is part of the solution with other weapons.

I;m probably being a bit thick here, but my question as we move into thre nice weather (given this is strongly seasonal in nature) is how we differentiate between falling case numbers through seasonal impact (as was the case last year) and what the achievement of the vaccines are.

I'm sure there's some obvious way of distinguishing.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Just seen that Miami and Florida is essentially fully open. Oldest state in america by age I believe. Around 25th in COVID deaths. Barely any lockdowns with a lot of things open throughout.

Are they just purely fortunate with climate which has helped massively?

Looking at the UK obviously in the summer in 2020 the cases/deaths went extremely slow and I'd imagine Florida is pretty warm even in winter?

I find it interesting as you'd expect them to be a top 5 state in death rates.

 

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I didn't realise it was that bad across the whole EU. J&J about to be approved soon too I think. IIRC theirs is even less effective so I guess we'll see the same thing with that. But I guess if they just get opened up to all (relatively) young and healthy people then there's a silver lining at least.

The funny thing is people are turning it down and no having no vaccine at all instead which is even less effective lol

It’s madness mate, personally I’d give it a bit of tough love, if you refuse a vaccine, you go to the end of que. The only thing I can think of logically is people don’t want to be waiting around for three months for a second dose, if they don’t need to.

J&J are due for a decision by the FDA today and the EU in a couple of week, first deliveries expected in April all going according to plan. I think the UK approved will come after as their first delivery all going well is in July I believe.

 

[Tubey]

Shame what's happening in GER with the AZ vaccine. Macron, Frank Montgomery and Handelsblatt (and others) come out in the press saying it's not effective and now thousands are refusing it. There's a big offensive in the media at the moment to convince people it's a good vaccine, but remains to be seen if that will have the desired effect, at least in big numbers. But just come out in the press that the government is now considering opening up the AZ vaccine to everyone who wants one regardless of age, health etc as of April. I'd be absolutely buzzing if they go ahead with that

Not exaggerating when I say Macron should face charges for what he said regarding the AZ vaccine.

Without doubt he will kill hundreds of people because of it. All because of petty politics.

 

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I;m probably being a bit thick here, but my question as we move into thre nice weather (given this is strongly seasonal in nature) is how we differentiate between falling case numbers through seasonal impact (as was the case last year) and what the achievement of the vaccines are.

I'm sure there's some obvious way of distinguishing.

You would expect a seasonal decline to begin to grassroot next month mate and continue in to April and go on, might be a bit different this year with the new variants. The vaccine will help to double down, but be a moving target so we should see the trend we are seeing in Europe now of falling infection rates. An acid test may be a gradual opening up. We also might see a climb in the Southern hemisphere that will tell us a bit. If there is a way to distinguish I don’t know it, you would need to study each persons vaccine profile, but we can compare data from last year to this in case incidence and study the variance.

What governments won’t tell you is getting jabs into peoples arms by Oct at the latest is critical or we are heading into another difficult winter. We are expecting a really difficult time with Flu next year, as literally there has been none this year around the world and we have very little sample of strain evolution to update next years flu vaccine.

The other thing to keep an eye on is the circular nature of the vaccine rollout, it’s not a once off. For instance I got double dosed in Jan. Come next flu season, do I need to be revaccinated etc. You might be better off getting vaccinated altogether during the summer to have protection next winter and a slow roll out might be advantageous. The clever play now is planning the next roll out and procurement of vaccines.