Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Pfizer and BioNTech Initiate a Study as Part of Broad Development Plan to Evaluate COVID-19 Booster and New Vaccine Variants | Pfizer

The evaluation is part of the Phase 1/2/3 trial and will study a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, at 30 µg that will be given to Phase 1 participants to evaluate the safety and tolerability of a booster vaccine Discussions with regulatory authorities are ongoing...

www.pfizer.com

 

[davek]

How have they?

COVID - in the vast, vast majority of people - is nothing worse than a bad cough or fever.

In some people, it knocks them sick for much longer.

Some of those people need hospital.

Some of those people need ventilators.

Some of those die.

The vaccines - across all of the above categories - are 100% proven to significantly reduce severe illness. That covers those last three categories, at the very least, and probably gives a significant chance of reducing people getting sick (but not needing hospital) for a sustained amount of time, too.

So then, the illness becomes like any other respiratory illness. It's here, but we live with it. We can't eradicate it, but every year there'll be booster jabs (this has already been said by the powers that be, and I believe it's now Pfizer's main focus??) to target people who are most likely to be at risk to new variants.

Unbelievable.

Let's see how these vaccines work over a period of time and how long coverage is for people who get them before saying they work.

 

[davek]

You constantly calling people idiots etc is unnecessary. It's easy to disagree without it but whatever.

I haven't once said vaccines alone are the way out because they aren't. They are though a large part of it whether you think they are or not. without them we have zero chance. You constantly talk them down. Not sure how you can say you aren't playing them down.

I dont constantly call people idiots.

You've been here about about a week. If you'd been here longer you'd appreciate which directions the insults flow around here.

 

[gav1985]

I dont constantly call people idiots.

You've been here about about a week. If you'd been here longer you'd appreciate which directions the insults flow around here.

I've been here for years and seen you arguing with people for years . I just usually don't engage because you generally are unable to see or tolerate differing views.

Carry on though and stay safe

 

[BlueToff]

Unbelievable.

Let's see how these vaccines work over a period of time and how long coverage is for people who get them before saying they work.

Well, it is if you choose not to believe it, yes.

I'll change it then. All of the available evidence so far points to the vaccines being 100% proven to prevent severe illness and death in the vast majority of cases.

Better?

I'm aware there's a long way to go. I'm aware it's not the only solution. But, the vaccines are the biggest part of it, by far. The others are extras that should be used to keep the virus 'manageable' while the vaccine roll outs continue.

 

[Charro]

I've been here for years and seen you arguing with people for years . I just usually don't engage because you generally are unable to see or tolerate differing views.

Carry on though and stay safe

He called someone Forrest Gump the other day. I’m amazed he’s still around tbh

 

[gav1985]

He called someone Forrest Gump the other day. I’m amazed he’s still around tbh

Does seem to be given a longer leash than others. "it's just how he is" etc.

 

[roydo]

Does seem to be given a longer leash than others. "it's just how he is" etc.

He has had several long bans as it happens.

 

[gav1985]

He has had several long bans as it happens.

I had him on ignore for such a long time I suppose I didn't notice. You have my apologies!

 

[davek]

I'm aware there's a long way to go. I'm aware it's not the only solution. But, the vaccines are the biggest part of it, by far. The others are extras that should be used to keep the virus 'manageable' while the vaccine roll outs continue.

That's simply not true. Look at Japan as an example with twice our population and a low number of Covid19 deaths. That was achieved without vaccine.

 

[Charro]

That's simply not true. Look at Japan as an example with twice our population and a low number of Covid19 deaths. That was achieved without vaccine.

Yet, they’re still rolling out a vaccine.

 

[tsubaki]

You said the vaccine isn’t key. That’s playing it down, without the vaccine we don’t get back to a way of living.

we could do that though, without a vaccine- lots of countries got back to a much closer approximation of normal before any vaccine was rolled out

 

[davek]

Yet, they’re still rolling out a vaccine.

Of course they want vaccine - as another tool to protect their citizens. Not as a one strategy solution.

 

[Moomin]

Whitty said this a few weeks ago.

He expected it to start in early March. Basically, say we're jabbing 500k (average) atm, well right now only 50k of those are second jabs.

That could start to change to about 150k second jabs in the coming weeks, so that's a 100k drop off. And then yeah as the spring rolls on that number will tick up.

The good news is that while the AZ keeps up, we also have a big number of Moderna secured, which should arrive in April, and then there's the J&J and Novavax vaccines which could be here by or in May, too.

Novavax will be later than May when its available, looking about August.

 

[Moomin]

Well, it is if you choose not to believe it, yes.

I'll change it then. All of the available evidence so far points to the vaccines being 100% proven to prevent severe illness and death in the vast majority of cases.

Better?

I'm aware there's a long way to go. I'm aware it's not the only solution. But, the vaccines are the biggest part of it, by far. The others are extras that should be used to keep the virus 'manageable' while the vaccine roll outs continue.