Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Thousands of swab samples are processed and analysed by scientists at Public Health England (PHE) every week to survey the prevalence of different respiratory diseases in the population.

But of the 685,243 samples that have been reviewed at PHE’s laboratories since the first week of January, not a single one has tested positive for influenza.

In the week up to 31 December 2020, just one case of flu was confirmed by laboratory analysis.
 
re @GrandOldTeam ’s post at 0810, this should really spark people into questioning a lot of what we’ve accepted as “just one of those things”

we should never go to lockdown again, but we could relatively easily cut the annual flu death numbers by a few thousand a year
 
This needs closely watching.


It's unbeleivable that numb nuts has made announcements about lifting restrictions when we dont have this vurus suppressed.

Greater Manchester alone is just up the road and has nine authorities with increasing levels of Covid19.
There will be while the vaccines are still rolling out, they’ll soon suppress as has been happening on Merseyside and beyond
 
re @GrandOldTeam ’s post at 0810, this should really spark people into questioning a lot of what we’ve accepted as “just one of those things”

we should never go to lockdown again, but we could relatively easily cut the annual flu death numbers by a few thousand a year
but test, track and trace (how you'd like to see it) isn't set up 'easily' if it's relying on people to take time out of their lives that they don't have - whether it's for financial (job) or personal (being able to take the kids to school, or go to the shop) reasons.

That's the issue with your plan. I still haven't seen you suggest a solution for those issues which, for lack of a better term, boil down to inconvenience?

It's not always a financial problem. And that's the issue.
 
but test, track and trace (how you'd like to see it) isn't set up 'easily' if it's relying on people to take time out of their lives that they don't have - whether it's for financial (job) or personal (being able to take the kids to school, or go to the shop) reasons.

That's the issue with your plan. I still haven't seen you suggest a solution for those issues which, for lack of a better term, boil down to inconvenience?

It's not always a financial problem. And that's the issue.

That’s a bit of a daft statement - people can and do go sick all the time now, usually without their lives collapsing or being caused intolerable inconveniences.

All doing effective test track and trace would do is make people more likely to report when they had symptoms (because they’d know they would get a response, and because they’d be more protected from sanctions at work if everyone was encouraged to do so by the state).

Just doing that (getting into the habit of reporting, getting tested (edit)and waiting for the result before going back to work or school) would interrupt a lot of the spread of flu and similar diseases that, as loads of us will have experienced, go through schools and workplaces in bursts and often cause rather more sickness than just one person staying away would.

That’s just for flu as well; as I’ve tried to say all along if we were able to get in the habit of that now then the chances are the next pandemic that comes along would find it far harder to infect as many of us as this one has.
 
re @GrandOldTeam ’s post at 0810, this should really spark people into questioning a lot of what we’ve accepted as “just one of those things”

we should never go to lockdown again, but we could relatively easily cut the annual flu death numbers by a few thousand a year
And just can't compare flu to COVID off the top of my head not only is it less transmissible so any social reduction would have effect good effect on you rates you also need lot less pweole vaccinated to keep flu under control..
 
That’s a bit of a daft statement - people can and do go sick all the time now, usually without their lives collapsing or being caused intolerable inconveniences.

All doing effective test track and trace would do is make people more likely to report when they had symptoms (because they’d know they would get a response, and because they’d be more protected from sanctions at work if everyone was encouraged to do so by the state).

Just doing that (getting into the habit of reporting, getting tested and waiting for the result) would interrupt a lot of the spread of flu and similar diseases that, as loads of us will have experienced, go through schools and workplaces in bursts and often cause rather more sickness than just one person staying away would.

That’s just for flu as well; as I’ve tried to say all along if we were able to get in the habit of that now then the chances are the next pandemic that comes along would find it far harder to infect as many of us as this one has.

It's not though, as your system initially requires people to isolate? You said the other day that a result could take 1-2 days? Well, most people don't have 1-2 days.

Of course, if they are properly ill - can't get out of bed etc - there's a difference. If it's someone with a mild fever (that for them is not serious at all but for somebody else could be very serious) how do you get those people to isolate for that 1-2 days?

That's the issue, for me, with your plan.

Unless, it was very specific symptoms. But, as we've seen with COVID, symptoms vary massively between people.
 


Would say he sounds cautiously optimistic that the vaccines can react well to variants, but no one really knows for sure unless it comes up against said variants.


He has been consistently cautious and realistic since day one as well.

Like, a few days into the vax roll out, some journo, (looking for a headline) asked him if the jabs would cut down the spread. He just replied that he doesnt know, as there is no data from real tests, and wont be for a number of weeks.
 
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