Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueStevie35 said:
Deffo mate, eased off a bit now but not chancing jumping in the shower until later as there’s only me and the dog in and don’t fancy gambling on not fainting with no one in to help me
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I was sound the day after mine, but within 48 hrs I was wiped out. Went for a run and felt like I was running in divers boots and a banging head ache straight after.

Just drank loads, took paracetamol all day and went to bed handy. Gone in the morning.
 
COYBL25 said:
I was sound the day after mine, but within 48 hrs I was wiped out. Went for a run and felt like I was running in divers boots and a banging head ache straight after.

Just drank loads, took paracetamol all day and went to bed handy. Gone in the morning.
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That’s the plan for the day, staying hydrated and taking paracetamol and not moving from the couch apart from making something to eat
 
grandjoeblue said:
I don't get how people can say 'its shorter than the second world war' as if thats a good thing.

The second world war is probably the worst event in human history and completely ruined the lives of everyone. Didn't we only recently pay back the war debt too?

As long as there is significant evidence that vaccination will stop deaths, it makes sense to allow some things to reopen.
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Just as an aside, we’ve lost more civilians in this pandemic than we did in WW2.

The Yanks have lost around the same numbers of people in this as their entire death casualty figures from WW2, Korea and Vietnam combined.

So although it’s hyperbole, it’s not that far from reality.
 
tsubaki said:
Just as an aside, we’ve lost more civilians in this pandemic than we did in WW2.

The Yanks have lost around the same numbers of people in this as their entire death casualty figures from WW2, Korea and Vietnam combined.

So although it’s hyperbole, it’s not that far from reality.
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Its massively far from reality, civilians don't typically lose their lives in a war mainly taking place in another country.

You can't compare deaths from a virus to deaths at war.
 
jinkyali said:
Its not just missing out on a certificate though is it. And you know that as well as I do.

What do you tell the business owner who has lost the thing he's built for 20 years go under? What about the wife of the man who commits suicide because he's mentally unwell?

What do you tell the teenager who has been so isolated for so long that he's a recluse and the social skills you build up through high school are not prevalent?

There's no easy answer but lockdown isn't the be all and end all in living with covid.
I speak as someone who has shielded since March 15th 2020. Prior to that I spent a month in hospital.

Continual lockdown won't solve covid.
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davek said:
FFS, last time I praise you.
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BlueToff said:
Right, but you say that, yet you've also painted it as people cry arsing that they can't go for a pint or to the gym, and you've cast an opinion like you're saying that everyone who is disagreeing with you or Dave (who is clearly more extreme) is of that mindset.
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All, sorry I was venting a bit last night as it’s been a tough few days and I had a drink for the first time in a while. I was being a little extreme and seemingly starting arguments on both sides of the aisle.

my real view lies somewhere amongst the anger. That is, I desperately want to go back to normality and can see an end in sight with the vaccines. It’s going to take a little more time and perhaps certain things will stick around longer than expected but we need to get life back.

That being said, there is no need to rush and despite the difficulties that it exacerbates, I don’t think we are being asked a lot in the circumstances. Which is, left alone this would have a much much bigger impact. I think lockdowns are necessary.

I also feel that the government has shown that it would try to get things open sooner rather than later and that on the balance of things it would always try to prioritise the economy. So, if they are putting restrictions in place then I’d wager they see it as necessary.

There is also some truth behind my frustration in the attitudes of some.

To give an example, I don’t want my daughter to be home schooled and I really want her to be back at school. The impact is real and I want her to experience life as it should be (and not have the additional stress of trying to educate her). But I’m not calling for schools to be reopened as it I don’t think we are in a position yet to do so. And whilst she is impacted and suffering, it is only to a degree. It isn’t ‘educational poverty’. She’s healthy, she’s fed, she’s still learning. It’s vulnerable kids who I worry about, the ones suffering from real educational poverty. But those kids were already in that position. And no one was calling for change 12 months ago. Ultimately those calls have happened because the privileged have been inconvenienced. And that to me is a little grotesque.

so I want everything back to normal, I appreciate things aren’t going to be the same as before, at least for a long time but I’m not pushing for it as I’d rather see a wider percentage of people protected. I miss the pub but I can miss it for longer if it keeps people safer. I’ll accept masks in shops for the foreseeable but I don’t think mass events should be banned completely because this virus is unlikely to be eradicated. We have to learn to live with it.
 
Seems are we back to wealth before health although good reason to believe it's always be wealth, it's like variants don't exist or not a danger. Oh well off into the coal face
 
tsubaki said:
quite a few people, sadly
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It blags my head.

The only person I know in the last year who has been able to get away is my sister, who went to Spain in July for a week.

I don't get why people are still going, or even considering it.

Travel for work is totally different.

Suppose the only thing is if they have homes out in other places that need seeing to or whatever. I kind of (kind of) get that, though it's not like that couldn't be sorted without them going out there either.
 
mill said:
All, sorry I was venting a bit last night as it’s been a tough few days and I had a drink for the first time in a while. I was being a little extreme and seemingly starting arguments on both sides of the aisle.

my real view lies somewhere amongst the anger. That is, I desperately want to go back to normality and can see an end in sight with the vaccines. It’s going to take a little more time and perhaps certain things will stick around longer than expected but we need to get life back.

That being said, there is no need to rush and despite the difficulties that it exacerbates, I don’t think we are being asked a lot in the circumstances. Which is, left alone this would have a much much bigger impact. I think lockdowns are necessary.

I also feel that the government has shown that it would try to get things open sooner rather than later and that on the balance of things it would always try to prioritise the economy. So, if they are putting restrictions in place then I’d wager they see it as necessary.

There is also some truth behind my frustration in the attitudes of some.

To give an example, I don’t want my daughter to be home schooled and I really want her to be back at school. The impact is real and I want her to experience life as it should be (and not have the additional stress of trying to educate her). But I’m not calling for schools to be reopened as it I don’t think we are in a position yet to do so. And whilst she is impacted and suffering, it is only to a degree. It isn’t ‘educational poverty’. She’s healthy, she’s fed, she’s still learning. It’s vulnerable kids who I worry about, the ones suffering from real educational poverty. But those kids were already in that position. And no one was calling for change 12 months ago. Ultimately those calls have happened because the privileged have been inconvenienced. And that to me is a little grotesque.

so I want everything back to normal, I appreciate things aren’t going to be the same as before, at least for a long time but I’m not pushing for it as I’d rather see a wider percentage of people protected. I miss the pub but I can miss it for longer if it keeps people safer. I’ll accept masks in shops for the foreseeable but I don’t think mass events should be banned completely because this virus is unlikely to be eradicated. We have to learn to live with it.
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I didn't mean to snap mate. I'm in a great mood after the weekend and wasn't meaning to argue. I agree with you. I just also don't really see the line between economy and health like some people do, because ultimately they kind of build into the same thing.

An example on the schools for me is that for now, I'd keep it as is for another month. Maybe send the younger ones back on March 8th but keep the rest back until after Easter. What does 3 weeks difference really make now? Those 3 weeks of no schools could really help push on in getting R rate right down in line with the vaccines carrying on.

I appreciate things aren't going to be as before either. What I don't like is the insistence from a very small minority that they can't be. Well, the vaccine is here, so they're going to, sooner or later, get back to normal. Mass events etc - they have to start at some stage. It's just when you take that first step. Given the rate of the vaccine roll out in the UK and now across Europe too, the summer should certainly see a return to that, in one form or the other.
 
tsubaki said:
an absolute resignation offence that, or at least would be in the past
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Just the claim ought to be. I just don't get how an avenue of cheap prevention wasn't looked into seriously, but also to close it down, on record, is shocking.

So what happened to the vit's themselves? Did we buy them? Did they get distributed? Did Hancock fail to ask a body to monitor effects?
 
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