Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not painting yourself in a great light when your response to your overlords being responsible for deaths is 'what about the other deaths?'

Where does this finger-pointing end - do we blame Labour for not holding the government to the account?

Do we blame Corbyn for his abject failure in letting this government have such a majority and for Starmer getting in?

For me, I am finding this tribal bickering and one-upmanship offputting.

 

[peteblue]

Not painting yourself in a great light when your response to your overlords being responsible for deaths is 'what about the other deaths?'

And you are not painting yourself in a great light attempting to defend Dave’s political partisan comments against the U.K. while completely ignoring the other 2.3Million people who have died from this Chinese virus....perhaps you should let him answer the question.....

 

[degsy]

I see the UK is just starting Hotel Quarantine, in Australia they've been doing it for 6-8 months and most of the 'escaping' virus (not escaping people) is linked to unmedically trained support staff, cleaners, food serves, security etc.
Corridors are super spreader....air con / air recirulation needs looking at too.
The NZ outbreak in Auckland is linked to 1 laundry worker who had hands on contact with International flight staff uniforms etc. - dont know if she was gloved up...who spread it to her family.

The Aussies are now building purpose built Quarantine facilities, aka, camps in out of the way fenced off secure areas, like provincial airports...think Burtonwood for Merseyside.
Hotel Quarantine is stop gap...risky stop gap as it turns out

 

[Brennan]

Where does this finger-pointing end - do we blame Labour for not holding the government to the account?

Do we blame Corbyn for his abject failure in letting this government have such a majority and for Starmer getting in?

For me, I am finding this tribal bickering and one-upmanship offputting.

No, to all of that.

The government are in charge, the buck stops with them. Corbyn has zero to do with it.

 

[peteblue]

No, to all of that.

The government are in charge, the buck stops with them. Corbyn has zero to do with it.

Totally agree. However this ridiculous assertion by Davek that Boris murdered everyone, while completely ignoring the other 500K in the EU and the 2.3M worldwide, is just stupid.....

 

[tsubaki]

Where does this finger-pointing end - do we blame Labour for not holding the government to the account?

Do we blame Corbyn for his abject failure in letting this government have such a majority and for Starmer getting in?

For me, I am finding this tribal bickering and one-upmanship offputting.

Having a proper debate over this, on the facts and without defending the indefensible or criticising solely out of political malice would be better, but to do that all sides need to do it.

I do think though (since we are talking about politics) that there are a lot of senior people in British politics and the media who should really take a long look at themselves; we’ve all been repeatedly told how fantastic our leaders are, this leader in particular (as we were with Blair) .... and it’s turned out that all these fine words were worth nothing.

Their definition of what leadership actually is doesn’t bear any relation to what it actually is.

 

[peteblue]

Having a proper debate over this, on the facts and without defending the indefensible or criticising solely out of political malice would be better, but to do that all sides need to do it.

I do think though (since we are talking about politics) that there are a lot of senior people in British politics and the media who should really take a long look at themselves; we’ve all been repeatedly told how fantastic our leaders are, this leader in particular (as we were with Blair) .... and it’s turned out that all these fine words were worth nothing.

Their definition of what leadership actually is doesn’t bear any relation to what it actually is.

Our ‘Leaders’ did very little leading In the early days. Mistakes were made all over the shop and we just were not prepared for what was to follow. As a country we tried to balance freedoms with lockdowns and it was not successful. As a nation we have historical form for cocking things up at the beginning then doing some really good stuff and winning the day. This seems to be panning out similarly with early failures, and now a great vaccine effort. We are not out of this yet, but we will get there......

 

[Mrk]

We'll be unpicking the events of the last 12 months for a long time and individuals and governments around the world will have some very tough questions to answer (particularly here), but it's mental to see people throwing around the words 'murderers' against any country/party/person in all this, regardless of whether it's China, the UK, Trump etc etc. Makes anti-vaxxers look sane.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Having a proper debate over this, on the facts and without defending the indefensible or criticising solely out of political malice would be better, but to do that all sides need to do it.

I do think though (since we are talking about politics) that there are a lot of senior people in British politics and the media who should really take a long look at themselves; we’ve all been repeatedly told how fantastic our leaders are, this leader in particular (as we were with Blair) .... and it’s turned out that all these fine words were worth nothing.

Their definition of what leadership actually is doesn’t bear any relation to what it actually is.

I'm just a bit fed up I suppose. This thread is generally a good source of info and debate but the tribal stuff is doing my head in.

I do agree with what you say though about our leaders.

 

[Cool_Blue]

You're appalling.

An Evertoinian supporting a Tory is bad enough. Supporting a Tory PM who is a mass murderer is utterly horrendous.

You’re getting ridiculous now. When crowds are back, you’ll probably be calling for everyone passing through the turnstiles to show proof they didn’t vote Tory before they’re allowed in.

 

[arminisgod]

You’re getting ridiculous now. When crowds are back, you’ll probably be calling for everyone passing through the turnstiles to show proof they didn’t vote Tory before they’re allowed in.

this 'holier than hole' regarding Liverpool and the Tories is wearing thin also. 20% of Liverpool voted Tory in the last election. 1 in 5.

 

[dead_soft]

And you are not painting yourself in a great light attempting to defend Dave’s political partisan comments against the U.K. while completely ignoring the other 2.3Million people who have died from this Chinese virus....perhaps you should let him answer the question.....

I'm not sure I did do that, Peter. It's mad how desperate you are to defend mistakes by the Tories. For a man so in love with the idea of war, you're very cowardly when it comes to questioning those you view as your superiors.

 

[dead_soft]

Where does this finger-pointing end - do we blame Labour for not holding the government to the account?

Do we blame Corbyn for his abject failure in letting this government have such a majority and for Starmer getting in?

For me, I am finding this tribal bickering and one-upmanship offputting.

This is a ridiculous line of thinking. The finger-pointing has barely started and it should certainly not stop. The Tories have, on both Covid and most other policies, shown at best abject incompetence, and at worst, intentional cruelty.

Labour certainly have to take responsibility for how they've handled their responses and attempts to form a government and it would be wilful ignorance to suggest that the last few years haven't been clouded by it.

It's not tribal bickering or one-upmanship, and it is a classic Tory ploy to make it seem like it is. They did it over Brexit when they kept saying they wanted Labour to compromise and for Remainers to let it go. The only people helped when finger pointing stops is those who are to blame and are in power.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's starting to get a bit heavy in here for me now.

Is it safe to go back into the Everton forum yet?

 

[COYBL25]

Fair enough. Should know better than to get involved really ! I don't have the staying power to have the inevitable back and forth ha

Here are the rules mate : ( they are subject to change, depending on the wind direction )

Britain
Western Europe = Bad ( Neo Liberal Scum )

China
Wales
Ireland
Scotland = Good ( and free from all blame )