Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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The binman chronicles said:
So has brexit mate. And covid is masking the full consequences of that decision.

The choice of just letting it run wild was not a choice any sensible government should or could take either. Look at how many have died from Christmas to now. How many would have if it was just BAU?
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loads would have, and of course you'd have had the same people on here saying people die... its natural... the important thing is blah blah blah
 
Jamesblue90 said:
How can the two summers be compared??? We have vaccines now, which work perfectly well against the current strain and prevent serious illness against all known strains! Why would restrictions be kept in place if the NHS was not at risk of being overwhelmed? It's doom mongering!
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I think you should really use "project fear", given its tradition.

In terms of this summer, as a minimum we've got to make sure before "going back to normal" that everyone who has had a first vaccine has had their second and that its been effective. We've also got to either have test, track and trace fixed or be well on the way to doing that (ie: a realistic plan, a realistic level of recruitment, resourcing and training underway, Dido Harding sacked). Finally we've also got to have better surge capacity in the NHS, both in case this comes back and to blast through all the people whose treatment has been delayed this past year.

Otherwise we'll just end up here again.
 
degsy said:
Spot on
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It's not at all.

For one, last summer wasn't really a 'free for all'. There were plenty of restrictions in place.

Two, we have the vaccines. While they aren't the magic key, they are crucial to herd immunity. At this rate, all over 50s will be fully vaxxed by August. The entire adult population by some time in October-November.

Nobody is suggesting a full return to normality, but there's no justification for any continued closing down of sectors or places of leisure etc. The vaccines stop serious illness against every strain - and that is what's important. The body's immune system is the greatest way to beat this thing and the vaccines help boost it.

In line with that, you can have the track and trace system set up - which is what the UK government need to do - as another way of keeping the infection rate low and also putting us in a better position for any future pandemics which, despite what people in here seem to act like, don't happen every other week.

You can also factor in tester events for crowds - like we saw in December at the footy but on a larger scale. Outdoor events in the summer with strict protocol for actually getting into them. It's crap but it's needed. You have to test negative, have to wear a mask etc.

Then as the vaccine roll out gets fully towards its conclusion, you could test out indoor events. You have to try it, or you might as well never bother. And entire industries will be lost and that's thousands of livelihoods gone - in fact, much more than have been killed directly by covid in the first place.
 
Leylo said:
Will we be going back to goodison that's what we all want
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Maybe at some sort of reduced capacity...I dont see nearly 40,000 being packed in the any time soon, nor 52,000 in BMD
I think it will put paid to 'safe standing' too, as a means of getting more people in.

We got off very lightly here in Australia in general and Brisbane in particular for a city of 1.5M
Melbourne (4Mill) where it was much worse ( nowhere near uk worse) but past the peak, they limited the MCG to 33%
 
degsy said:
Maybe at some sort of reduced capacity...I dont see nearly 40,000 being packed in the any time soon, nor 52,000 in BMD
I think it will put paid to 'safe standing' too, as a means of getting more people in.

We got off very lightly here in Australia in general and Brisbane in particular for a city of 1.5M
Melbourne (4Mill) where it was much worse ( nowhere near uk worse) but past the peak, they limited the MCG to 33%
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would expect 50% to be a max on any capacity at stadiums this year.

MCG (or perhaps the SCG, can't remember) was gonna have a bigger crowd for the boxing day test IIRC, but it got reduced after a spike in cases?
 
Oh, just seen the news about NZ.

Auckland into three-day lockdown, rest of the country into 'level 2'.

"Comes after 3 members of an Auckland family tested positive for #Covid19 under unknown circumstances"

Yes, the NZ approach will work, but no, the virus won't disappear.

You can guarantee that there will be a rise of cases over the coming months in Aus and NZ as they enter their winter - it was always going to happen. I know it's not cold there right now, but give it 6-8 weeks in NZ and the temps start to drop in the evenings and early mornings especially

There is one way to beat this thing, and it isn't unsustainable in and out of lockdowns
 
tsubaki said:
I think you should really use "project fear", given its tradition.

In terms of this summer, as a minimum we've got to make sure before "going back to normal" that everyone who has had a first vaccine has had their second and that its been effective. We've also got to either have test, track and trace fixed or be well on the way to doing that (ie: a realistic plan, a realistic level of recruitment, resourcing and training underway, Dido Harding sacked). Finally we've also got to have better surge capacity in the NHS, both in case this comes back and to blast through all the people whose treatment has been delayed this past year.

Otherwise we'll just end up here again.
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I disagree, I don't see any scenario where we are back to square one this winter coming.

Firstly this Kent strain is expected to become the first globally dominant strain, it's a monster in terms of its transmission. We know that all the approved vaccines are wholly efficient against this strain, and prevent serious illness against any other strains.

With the main vulnerable groups vaccinated by April, we have to get motoring back to much more 'normality'. Booster vaccine for the vulnerable in late summer/early Autumn (that's made much more simple assuming the Kent strain hasn't been knocked off its horrible perch).

The roadmap here is clear.
 
Jamesblue90 said:
I disagree, I don't see any scenario where we are back to square one this winter coming.

Firstly this Kent strain is expected to become the first globally dominant strain, it's a monster in terms of its transmission. We know that all the approved vaccines are wholly efficient against this strain, and prevent serious illness against any other strains.

With the main vulnerable groups vaccinated by April, we have to get motoring back to much more 'normality'. Booster vaccine for the vulnerable in late summer/early Autumn (that's made much more simple assuming the Kent strain hasn't been knocked off its horrible perch).

The roadmap here is clear.
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Yes - without learning the lessons from our failures over the past twelve months, where we are headed is obvious.
 
tsubaki said:
Yes - without learning the lessons from our failures over the past twelve months, where we are headed is obvious.
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We have HIGHLY efficient vaccines, what am I missing here? To be fair the speed they are getting it out is frighteningly quick, and is 'one' good thing this useless government seems to be able to do.
 
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