tim cahill
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To clarify, do you think pubs and restaurants should be closed permanently??
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tsubaki
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its ok, just remind yourself it was a Conservative government that did that - just as it did it to hundreds of thousands of people in the 80s
tsubaki
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COVID-19: Some restrictions should last until all adults have been vaccinated, senior health official says
The PHE official admits it's "difficult to say" if restrictions this summer will be tougher than they were last year.news.sky.com
The confusion is people listening to scientists like this covering their own arse with statements and then thinking the end isn't in sight.
It is though.
Politically, what she is saying there isn't tenable. By May, 98% of deaths will be taken out of the equation. After that, even if transmission is high (which I don't think it actually will be), the death rate/ICU capacity won't reflect it.
Some restrictions will continue post-May, but they'll be in the form of guidance rather than lockdown, with some things like major events being restricted. But when we hit July/August, we're back to normal with Track & Trace picking up variants (it'll be routine to test for any cold like symptoms for years now) and booster shots every six to twelve months. Convinced of it.
If we're not, I honestly think you'll be looking at riots. Justifiable riots too.
If we have test and trace - and we 100% need it, urgently - then we will need to have localized lockdowns (probably more strict than they are now, with travel into and out of the area being halted), called when there is a spike of whatever variant it is. The better the test and trace system is though, the lower the likelihood of that needing to happen.
Substantial public disorder is probably coming anyway, whatever happens.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Be careful what you wish for. If they closed pubs forever, I could turn our pub into a house, put another six houses in the car park and grounds and turn over a £2M profit. But then we wouldn’t have a pub in the village, nowhere to meet, socialise, raise funds for the school or the kids, nowhere to enjoy Halloween or Bonfire Night, no BBQ’s for the families and no Christmas Carols...but then again £2M, you may be onto something here Dave......
I don't think so. Because the vaccines currently prevent severe illness, I can see a situation where this is a flu vaccine type booster shot once a year covering variants for reasons of efficacy so as to stop transmission, solely because high transmission increases the chance of a dangerous strain emerging.
But I can't see a situation where a lockdown would be justifiable at all if this isn't killing or even hospitalising people. We don't do it with flu, there's no reason to do it with COVID unless it's much worse than flu, which it has been but by no means will certainly be so in the near future.
People forget - COVID doesn't want to kill people; no virus does. It wants to spread and having a host survive means more chances to transmit. COVID mutations will get less severe over time, not more. We really do have to learn to live with it with the weapons we have to curtail the lethality of it.
Quite.
Thouands of people are killed every winter by flu and tens of thousands more are made seriously ill by it, and yet all throughout winter life goes on.
People being infected by a coronavirus is not in and of itself a public health emergency.
tim cahill
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Test and trace can only work if there's a manageable number of cases. While there are still thousands of cases there's no chance of it working.
I think the argument is that people shouldn’t be dying of flu or other illness and that’s bad.
which, is fair
but, it’s also just life. You don’t shut down countries or regions for these illnesses, so when the vaccines have had the impact that they hopefully will do, and covid becomes like any other illness in that sense, and won’t overwhelm the nhs, then there’s no justification
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Were you even alive in the 80’s.....
I was nearly killed by the flu in my 20s. Was horrifying, but the net result wasn't living like a hermit in fear of it ever happening again - instead it's the jab every year and living my life.
That will be where we get to. Indeed, the COVID vaccine has more evidence at this point of a strong immunogenic response than a flu vaccine has simply because of how the flu works (there's a reason a flu pandemic was the feared Disease X rather than a coronavirus one), and my guess would be that deaths from flu will decrease because more people will take it up every year now than did before because of the COVID experience.
Hitler was a National Socialist
tsubaki
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yes, pete
in fact the largest one-day redundancy of that decade took place less than ten miles from where I grew up; that town is still suffering the effects of it
Along with :
Gyms
Hairdressers / Barbers
Beauty Salons
Night Clubs
Bakers
Pet Shops
Florists
Tree Surgeons
Road Maintenance
Schools
Colleges
Universities
Airports
Public Transport
All forms of foreign travel
Vote for Dave, the future is bright.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I can see a common word here.......
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