Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[jinkyali]

I mean you do know that people don't actually just 'eat crap' in restaurants?

But you know that's not the point. You're just insisting millions of people should give up and find a new trade, a completely new life.

Do you have any idea what it takes to start a business like that, get it off the ground and sustain it?

Your forgetting all the other stakeholders to said industry.

Suppliers, wholesalers, consumers, education premises.

 

[davek]

I mean you do know that people don't actually just 'eat crap' in restaurants?

But you know that's not the point. You're just insisting millions of people should give up and find a new trade, a completely new life.

Do you have any idea what it takes to start a business like that, get it off the ground and sustain it?

The shake out is happening now mate. In 2020 10,000 licensed premises - pubs, clubs and restaurants - closed permanently. Hospitality saw the loss of 640,000 jobs last year. 2021 will see many more go.

It's a sector that will redfine itself: what it offers and what it's capable of offering safely and sustainably.

 

[toffee82]

I pretty much specified pubs and restaurants.

And I'd rather people kept their lives rather than others having the opportunity to get pissed and eat crap all day in confined virus spreading places.

Have we learned nothing from summer/autumn 2020? Do we have to have a repeat performance for it to sink in that these places are uncontrollable breeding grounds for infection?

If you look at the case data it remained extremely low during the summer despite restaurants and pubs being open, no vaccines and very little immunity in the community.

 

[davek]

I'm not sure you acknowledged my point.
This ideal you seek is not realistic and never will be.
Much like the view of opening up everything tomorrow is unrealistic, the view of mothballing a huge industry as well as locking down for another 10 months is as unrealistic.

There isn't a will and there never will be, much like there isn't a will to go right back to normal this very second, if ever.

As I said above in answer to BlueToff, that mothballing is in motion now. Will the pubs and reataurants get one final hurrah of business this summer before geting slammed shut again...and permanently for the bulk of them? Maybe.

 

[davek]

If you look at the case data it remained extremely low during the summer despite restaurants and pubs being open, no vaccines and very little immunity in the community.

People were outdoors - even pubs and restaurants operated a lot of their business outdoor and had open door/windows policy. Can they survive being a 'safe' sector only in the warm months?

 

[Toast]

Going to the match should be an enjoyable experience

This.
Even when we’re crap it’s the day out and the routine that I enjoy.
Aways especially. Seeing the same old faces is something I do miss.
I think about Brighton away for example and those full trains of standing fans of both sides, the queues etc are awful at that jarg little station as well.
I can’t see that being safe for a long while yet.

 

[Walken]

Credit to you DaveK, You have the stamina to get into a debate completely on the wrong side, change your mind and then come back with I told you so. Infuriating but impressive none the less.

We are talking well over a decade of showcasing these stamina levels here

 

[toffee82]

People were outdoors - even pubs and restaurants operated a lot of their business outdoor and had open door/windows policy. Can they survive being a 'safe' sector only in the warm months?

By autumn some will have a booster vaccine.

If it reduces serious illness in the majority and hospitals are not overwhelmed then things will start to return.

If covid + flu deaths ends up being a similar total to a normal flu season then we should be aiming to return life to some sort of normality.

 

[Tubey]

COVID-19: Some restrictions should last until all adults have been vaccinated, senior health official says

The PHE official admits it's "difficult to say" if restrictions this summer will be tougher than they were last year.

news.sky.com

The confusion is people listening to scientists like this covering their own arse with statements and then thinking the end isn't in sight.

It is though.

Politically, what she is saying there isn't tenable. By May, 98% of deaths will be taken out of the equation. After that, even if transmission is high (which I don't think it actually will be), the death rate/ICU capacity won't reflect it.

Some restrictions will continue post-May, but they'll be in the form of guidance rather than lockdown, with some things like major events being restricted. But when we hit July/August, we're back to normal with Track & Trace picking up variants (it'll be routine to test for any cold like symptoms for years now) and booster shots every six to twelve months. Convinced of it.

If we're not, I honestly think you'll be looking at riots. Justifiable riots too.

 

[jinkyali]

As I said above in answer to BlueToff, that mothballing is in motion now. Will the pubs and reataurants get one final hurrah of business this summer before geting slammed shut again...and permanently for the bulk of them? Maybe.

Again, not bothering to acknowledge my point.

 

[grandjoeblue]

The shake out is happening now mate. In 2020 10,000 licensed premises - pubs, clubs and restaurants - closed permanently. Hospitality saw the loss of 640,000 jobs last year. 2021 will see many more go.

It's a sector that will redfine itself: what it offers and what it's capable of offering safely and sustainably.

You almost make it sound like a positive that thousands of small businesses are failing. I bet those 640,000 people who are probably jobless and struggling to pay their bills are happy to see the sector 'redefine' itself. Aren't you a socialist? Very confusing.

 

[PhilM]

This.
Even when we’re crap it’s the day out and the routine that I enjoy.
Aways especially. Seeing the same old faces is something I do miss.
I think about Brighton away for example and those full trains of standing fans of both sides, the queues etc are awful at that jarg little station as well.
I can’t see that being safe for a long while yet.

After the match, any trains from Kirkdale have you standing like sardines as they’re so full: the last few have to push and breathe in to allow the doors to close.

There’s no way that’ll be allowed any time soon nor would I be comfortable with it even though I’ve previously contracted the virus. Normality is a year away, minimum.

For me, the biggest loss of the match day routine is going to the pub and that pre and post socialising. Will they have survived? What will it be like?

 

[peteblue]

You've just condemned millions of people and thousands of businesses to unemployment and bankruptcy.

Hospitality and leisure is everything from hotels to gyms to football clubs to wedding venues to cinemas to cafes to bars to pubs to coffee shops to restaraunts.

'Mothballing'

Think how many students rely on stuff like that for work to help them get through uni. How many people start up independent chains. It's millions of people. And you just said it all needs mothballing.

Did the big mean barman once call you a nasty word or something Dave?

I‘m guessing Dave doesn’t work or have involvement in those sectors......just a hunch.....

 

[peteblue]

You almost make it sound like a positive that thousands of small businesses are failing. I bet those 640,000 people who are probably jobless and struggling to pay their bills are happy to see the sector 'redefine' itself. Aren't you a socialist? Very confusing.

Joe Stalin was also a socialist......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Supposed to book from Monday nothing available until Wednesday...

Covid hotel quarantine booking site taken down

The new booking portal website was removed temporarily for maintenance over a technical error.

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