Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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How are vaccines "the answer" when we can see now that they are not going to do the heavy lifting on their own?

We are going to learn the hard way in the west: get some discipline in your behaviour regarding what you do and where you go and how you approach those environments in terms of hygiene; and learn to comply with track and trace regimes, or we'll continue to see mass death.

Behavioural change + vaccines is the only way forward out of this.

Well, China not covering things up would help as well
 

needs to happen globally. Right now, wealthy countries have largely bought out the vaccine supply. Even if they are able to vaccinate large segments of their population by the end of 2021, the virus will keep circulating elsewhere and keep gaining mutations, eventually evolving so much that the original vaccines may become even less effective. Rampant spread in unvaccinated countries may very well seed new variants that come back to cause new outbreaks in vaccinated countries. As my colleague James Hamblin has written, “The countries that hoard the vaccine without a plan to help others do so at their own peril.” Taking away the virus’s chance to acquire other advantageous mutations means reducing its spread everywhere. Vaccines can be updated against any new variants, but it will be a constant race to catch up.


This is something the WHO and a few other medical journals have stated.

The likes of us, Western Europe and North America will stockpile these vaccines for future usage instead of globally working together to rid the world of covid.
 
No. I'm suggesting a public life where we starve the virus of any chance to infect in super spreading events and where we fins another way to socially interact.

We need to look east.

They're having festivals in Wuhan and Japanese crowds at events are usually massive.

As far as I'm aware, they didn't stop large events for years and years after SARS, either.

So, do we?
 
I think you've missed his point.
What is the point then?

We have already missed the point where a full suppression strategy would be effective. It took Melbourne 5 months to get rid of a relatively small outbreak.

If it was March/April 2020 I could understand his points but now we are at a point where minimising deaths through the vaccination programme is the most logical path to take.
 
Its with the close contacts where it becomes more difficult i think. I dont think we have an issue with people unfortuate to test positive. If someone feels fine and hasn't been tested I think compliance will always be tricky.

This is the thing.

It's also getting people who have a sniffle into the habit of ringing up track and trace to tell them that.

It's not just an 'annoyance'. Whatever support there is won't cover every scenario.

What if you wake up feeling crap the morning of a flight that you have to be on. What do you do?

What about if you wake up feeling crap the day you have to go into hospital for an operation, or feel crap but you have had to take your kids to school.

There's so many scenarios that just saying 'support will be there' doesn't cover it, or even saying it's properly staffed and you have that promise of an hour. An hour's a long time depending on what you need to be doing.

If you have certain symptoms - if that is the point first and foremost - then yes. But we know with COVID symptoms can be non-existent, or as mild as a tickly throat or as bad as you can't breathe and need urgent medical care.
 
The virus spread rapidly in the west due to the west not knowing and then when it did no, the individual responses of the govs being haphazard to downright disastrous.

But the virus didn't come from here. It didn't start because of a concert, or a match, or some bloke coughing in ASDA.

It started in the wet markets. And of the last few near-misses with pandemics, a lot of the illnesses seem to have developed in similar scenarios.

@Spadge Vernacular I take your point about the cultural differences, but if people are so certain we need to change our culture to just eradicate doing anything except existence and breathing, why shouldn't the onus be on the places that have these disgusting and inhumane markets and cultures to change too?

Surely the best approach is a joint one of stopping these things starting in the first place, and also having a better response system in place?
 
Not much point living in a world like that
Well, it wouldn't be forever. It'd be for the foreseeable until we can find a mix of vaccines and therapeutics that can ensure we see this off like the flu.

Even until that point, though, people can live with greater restrictions than we usually are accustomed to and lead a less than meagre existence, socially-speaking.
 
Most countries in the east are more open than we are?

Your solution is to stay in lockdown. I do agree that we won't need another lockdown if we stay in lockdown. Thats true..
They are disciplined and savvy enough to know where the time and places are to be socially interactive and 'normal', and when there's a need to be smart and safe. They have muscle memory where epidemics are concerned and it's something we need to acquire and quickly.

Having a government that is completely irresponsible makes that task more difficult, I grant you. Which is why they are no better than a bunch of murderers looking for short term economic activity and dispensing at the first "opprtunity" with restrictions that can keep us safe.
 
They're having festivals in Wuhan and Japanese crowds at events are usually massive.

As far as I'm aware, they didn't stop large events for years and years after SARS, either.

So, do we?
They are completely on the ball in those places and will move quickly with any sign of infections to crush it.

You cant compare a society like that with ours where we have a basket case government shovelling billions of tax payer pounds to their completely inept private sector pals to shove in their accounts in return for rubbish equipment and strategies to deal with infections case rises.
 
They are disciplined and savvy enough to know where the time and places are to be socially interactive and 'normal', and when there's a need to be smart and safe. They have muscle memory where epidemics are concerned and it's something we need to acquire and quickly.

Having a government that is completely irresponsible makes that task more difficult, I grant you. Which is why they are no better than a bunch of murderers looking for short term economic activity and dispensing at the first "opprtunity" with restrictions that can keep us safe.
Nobody is really saying finish the lockdown today, theres probably another 8 weeks to go before anything opens.

I think most people are hopeful that the vaccines can significantly reduce deaths to a reasonable level and life can then resume. Time will tell, I personally wouldn't want another couple of years surviving rather than living.
 
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