Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

Does track and trace really work in western societies?

I just couldnt see it working - my mate for example sticks by the rules but doesn't have the NHS app thing on his phone out of refusal.

Plenty of people who would make it ineffective imo

Yes, because when it’s done properly a lot of it is done for you - rather than going to a test centre yourself or relying on your app, they do it - people come to your house, do your test, see what help you need etc.

If it was staffed properly, there’s no reason why most of the country couldn’t have a response to your door within an hour of you phoning up. It would cost billions, but it would protect us.

Whilst you are on the phone waiting for them to arrive, the operator tells you what you need to do, why you need to do it and finds out where you’ve been in case they need to protect those people.

Having a system that does everything for you quickly, explains what and why they are doing and clearly works is much more likely to be complied with.

If you ignore all that and put people at risk, that’s a matter for you, the cops and the magistrate.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not convinced at all on track and trace. Think its just a term used by people to criticise. It relies on full cooperation from the public and that's not likely.

The vaccine will become a regular thing, probably annual for lots of people. They are the only way back to normality.

If the virus mutated to become 'disease x' and we had to wait a month or so for vaccines to be amended and then months for the logistical vaccination programme roll out we would very quickly appreciate the importance and power of a functional track, trace, and suppression system.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Not convinced at all on track and trace. Think its just a term used by people to criticise. It relies on full cooperation from the public and that's not likely.

The vaccine will become a regular thing, probably annual for lots of people. They are the only way back to normality.

Completely agree. Vaccines are the answer.

Test and trace is only effective if you have very low case numbers and very high compliance with the app and also staff checking compliance of positive cases.

I think that the money invested on testing in the UK is pretty much wasted as they don't even bother keeping track of you when you test positive. Its estimated only about 20% of positive cases isolate properly for the full period of time.

 

[davek]

No reason that 20,000 shouldn't be allowed into Goodison come September given the vaccine roll out (majority of the country will be fully dosed by then) and you can easily just make sure they have to have proof of a negative test to enter.

People in the industry are hoping gigs will be back around October/November.

Wildly optimistic.

 

[Walken]

Completely agree. Vaccines are the answer.

Test and trace is only effective if you have very low case numbers and very high compliance with the app and also staff checking compliance of positive cases.

I think that the money invested on testing in the UK is pretty much wasted as they don't even bother keeping track of you when you test positive. Its estimated only about 20% of positive cases isolate properly for the full period of time.

Detection of new variants is key to evolving vaccination to combat COVID, its not an either or answer and we will need both. Some of the short termist thinking that vaccines solve all is alarming

 

[ToffeeTim]

That ridiculous though; having proper track and trace is exactly how countries have stopped this successfully.

We also won’t know what way the virus is evolving quickly enough to develop updated vaccines without it.

I'm not saying it can't work, I'm saying I don't think it will work in Britain. There is nowhere near the level of compliance required for it to be a success. I don't think it should be our priority because I don't think it will work, and it hasn't worked so far.

I also don't really blame those involved in the system. They can only do their job really well if the compliance is there.

 

[davek]

Completely agree. Vaccines are the answer.

Test and trace is only effective if you have very low case numbers and very high compliance with the app and also staff checking compliance of positive cases.

I think that the money invested on testing in the UK is pretty much wasted as they don't even bother keeping track of you when you test positive. Its estimated only about 20% of positive cases isolate properly for the full period of time.

How are vaccines "the answer" when we can see now that they are not going to do the heavy lifting on their own?

We are going to learn the hard way in the west: get some discipline in your behaviour regarding what you do and where you go and how you approach those environments in terms of hygiene; and learn to comply with track and trace regimes, or we'll continue to see mass death.

Behavioural change + vaccines is the only way forward out of this.

 

[tsubaki]

Completely agree. Vaccines are the answer.

Test and trace is only effective if you have very low case numbers and very high compliance with the app and also staff checking compliance of positive cases.

I think that the money invested on testing in the UK is pretty much wasted as they don't even bother keeping track of you when you test positive. Its estimated only about 20% of positive cases isolate properly for the full period of time.

re: the bit in bold, the only way we can keep case numbers low is by doing this; yes we need staff checking up but also doing a lot if the things that are currently outsourced to the individual

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Completely agree. Vaccines are the answer.

I understand that you are talking about at this moment in time but it could easily be argued that a reliance on vaccines is a sign of failure.

 

[davek]

Detection of new variants is key to evolving vaccination to combat COVID, its not an either or answer and we will need both. Some of the short termist thinking that vaccines solve all is alarming

Anyone advocating it are completely 'kin thick.

 

[Tubey]

Of course they haven't found anything. Any relevant information will be long gone. Whole process reminds me of those guided holidays of North Korea that people go on.

It's not that they haven't found anything - that was a given - it's more that, with no evidence, they've tried to legitimise reasons to exonerate China of any blame.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not saying it can't work, I'm saying I don't think it will work in Britain. There is nowhere near the level of compliance required for it to be a success. I don't think it should be our priority because I don't think it will work, and it hasn't worked so far.

I also don't really blame those involved in the system. They can only do their job really well if the compliance is there.

Thats one of the most victim blaming posts I’ve ever read on here.

The governments quarter-arsed attempts to do track and trace, with confusing messaging, vast waste and without properly supporting the people who have to isolate, should have no bearing at all on whether a competent system would be complied with.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Thats one of the most victim blaming posts I’ve ever read on here.

The governments quarter-arsed attempts to do track and trace, with confusing messaging, vast waste and without properly supporting the people who have to isolate, should have no bearing at all on whether a competent system would be complied with.

Money wise the support could obviously be better yes. I'm talking about app downloads, following travel quarantine, stuff like that etc. I'm not sure how we make it better.

 

[tsubaki]

Money wise the support could obviously be better yes. I'm talking about app downloads, following travel quarantine, stuff like that etc. I'm not sure how we make it better.

.... by having people actually doing the checking!

 

[ToffeeTim]

.... by having people actually doing the checking!

Its with the close contacts where it becomes more difficult i think. I dont think we have an issue with people unfortuate to test positive. If someone feels fine and hasn't been tested I think compliance will always be tricky.