Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[ForeverBlue92]

Detection of new variants is key to evolving vaccination to combat COVID, its not an either or answer and we will need both. Some of the short termist thinking that vaccines solve all is alarming

Vaccines are the end goal though mate.

People are flapping but the last major pandemic was 100 years ago and potentially could be another 100 years before the next one.

Majority of variants over time tend to become less deadly than more also so even if vaccines need to be tweaked there is no evidence to suggest we would go back to the situation we were in last April even this SA strain isn't anymore deadlier its just easier to evade the vaccine **to an extent**.

I tend to be optimistic with this thing - once vaccines are in the arms the majority of people with COVID-19 SA strain or not will have at worst minor symptoms you get with the other Coronavirus' out there.

The whole we need a track n trace system or we are doomed doomed is more political than it is scientific - the vaccine was and always has been the end goal the trace system would have been handy inbetween last April to where we are now!

 

[grandjoeblue]

How are vaccines "the answer" when we can see now that they are not going to do the heavy lifting on their own?

We are going to learn the hard way in the west: get some discipline in your behaviour regarding what you do and where you go and how you approach those environments in terms of hygiene; and learn to comply with track and trace regimes, or we'll continue to see mass death.

Behavioural change + vaccines is the only way forward out of this.

What do you mean by hygiene?

Its an airborne virus and its now pretty much confirmed that surface spread is very rare.

Out of interest what do you mean by change behaviour in what you do or where you go?

 

[grandjoeblue]

I understand that you are talking about at this moment in time but it could easily be argued that a reliance on vaccines is a sign of failure.

Yes the government have been absolutely disgraceful, billions wasted and now the vaccine has to be the answer to save lives.

 

[davek]

What do you mean by hygiene?

Its an airborne virus and its now pretty much confirmed that surface spread is very rare.

Out of interest what do you mean by change behaviour in what you do or where you go?

It's an airborne virus that can be spread also via droplets.

Changing behaviour in terms of not being in large crowds where you're not socially distanced; not staying indoors for extended periods of time in places like shops (and wear masks at all times in that setting and indeed in town centres); no indoors dining at all at restaurants or pubs (outdoor service only); quarantining on return into the country in the event you have to go out of it. That sort of behaviour.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Not sure if this article has already been posted

The Differences Between the Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson Coronavirus Vaccines Explained | KQED

A head-to-head comparison of the vaccines.

www.kqed.org

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[grandjoeblue]

It's an airborne virus that can be spread also via droplets.

Changing behaviour in terms of not being in large crowds where you're not socially distanced; not staying indoors for extended periods of time in places like shops (and wear masks at all times in that setting and indeed in town centres); no indoors dining at all at restaurants or pubs (outdoor service only); quarantining on return into the country in the event you have to go out of it. That sort of behaviour.

So you're suggesting essentially a lockdown?

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[navidson]

It's an airborne virus that can be spread also via droplets.

Changing behaviour in terms of not being in large crowds where you're not socially distanced; not staying indoors for extended periods of time in places like shops (and wear masks at all times in that setting and indeed in town centres); no indoors dining at all at restaurants or pubs (outdoor service only); quarantining on return into the country in the event you have to go out of it. That sort of behaviour.

Not much point living in a world like that

 

[LinekersLegs]

See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State (Published 2022)

See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.

www.nytimes.com

If the country maintains its current pace of administering first doses, about half of the total population would be at least partially vaccinated around early July, and nearly all around early December, assuming supply pledges are met and vaccines are eventually available to children.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Anybody seen anything about trials of the other vaccines on under 16s?

 

[davek]

So you're suggesting essentially a lockdown?

No. I'm suggesting a public life where we starve the virus of any chance to infect in super spreading events and where we fins another way to socially interact.

We need to look east.

 

[grandjoeblue]

No. I'm suggesting a public life where we starve the virus of any chance to infect in super spreading events and where we fins another way to socially interact.

We need to look east.

Most countries in the east are more open than we are?

Your solution is to stay in lockdown. I do agree that we won't need another lockdown if we stay in lockdown. Thats true..

 

[LinekersLegs]

needs to happen globally. Right now, wealthy countries have largely bought out the vaccine supply. Even if they are able to vaccinate large segments of their population by the end of 2021, the virus will keep circulating elsewhere and keep gaining mutations, eventually evolving so much that the original vaccines may become even less effective. Rampant spread in unvaccinated countries may very well seed new variants that come back to cause new outbreaks in vaccinated countries. As my colleague James Hamblin has written, “The countries that hoard the vaccine without a plan to help others do so at their own peril.” Taking away the virus’s chance to acquire other advantageous mutations means reducing its spread everywhere. Vaccines can be updated against any new variants, but it will be a constant race to catch up.

 

[Moomin]

Most countries in the east are more open than we are?

Your solution is to stay in lockdown. I do agree that we won't need another lockdown if we stay in lockdown. Thats true..

I think you've missed his point.