Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

It is a thought-provoking piece. You have to wonder though if as a people we have the belief for such a battle or the stomach for it. It would seem logical to assume that those in the firing line would deflect blame, rightfully so in many respects, to China and in the same train of thought look to apply the measures in the link below to take the heat off. Chances are though, that for many simply getting back to normal will be like VE day and the spin will be lost amid the relief and partying.

China Is Legally Responsible for COVID-19 Damage and Claims Could Be in the Trillions

As the novel coronavirus incubated in Wuhan from mid-December to mid-January, the Chinese state made evidently intentional misrepresentations to its

warontherocks.com

We had better have the stomach for it - because if we do not change the way our country is run, sooner or later a crisis worse than this is going to come along and destroy us.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

You're actually trying to counter a viewpoint of an article in the BMJ with one from some loony pro-war website?

Lol

No mate, I made the point that if the finger falls on the UK gov they will most probably not say "it's a fair cop lads, you got us bang to rights" but might just deflect and point to the source of the problem. You clearly have more faith in the current administration to accept fault than I.

Also, the article is from 'James Kraska, chair and Charles H. Stockton professor of international maritime law in the Stockton Center for International Law at the U.S. Naval War College.' It hypothesises options in such a scenario that any government should go down the path of blaming China.

 

[Goat]

Keep falling PLEASE!

 

[davek]

No mate, I made the point that if the finger falls on the UK gov they will most probably not say "it's a fair cop lads, you got us bang to rights" but might just deflect and point to the source of the problem. You clearly have more faith in the current administration to accept fault than I.

Also, the article is from 'James Kraska, chair and Charles H. Stockton professor of international maritime law in the Stockton Center for International Law at the U.S. Naval War College.' It hypothesises options in such a scenario that any government should go down the path of blaming China.

...which would be like the world charging the United States for the outbreak of the Spanish Flu.

No, that sort of deflection wont hold water.

Decisions have been made by different governments around the world that were open to others to take which minimized death.

This country's government have made many catastrophic decisions, and that's why the UK has a fatality rate that's one of the very worst in the world.

As the BMJ paper states: it's murder. It doiesn't matter if they get away with it. The fact that it's up for discussion is the key point. Just as Blair will never be taken seriously as a politician again because of the blood on his hands from the Iraq War, the leaders of this government will forever be remembered for the catastrophic decisions that led to mass death in this country. Johnson, HanCOCK, Patel, Williamson et al - their names will be linked to hundreds of thousands of deaths in the biggest failure to secure its own people that any UK government has experienced.

 

[peteblue]

U.K. vaccines.....550K given yesterday....total of 12,525,735 jabs given......

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

...which would be like the world charging the United States for the outbreak of the Spanish Flu.

No, that sort of deflection wont hold water.

Decisions have been made by different governments around the world that were open to others to take which minimized death.

This country's government have made many catastrophic decisions, and that's why the UK has a fatality rate that's one of the very worst in the world.

As the BMJ paper states: it's murder. It doiesn't matter if they get away with it. The fact that it's up for discussion is the key point. Just as Blair will never be taken seriously as a politician again because of the blood on his hands from the Iraq War, the leaders of this government will forever be remembered for the catastrophic decisions that led to mass death in this country. Johnson, HanCOCK, Patel, Williamson et al - their names will be linked to hundreds of thousands of deaths in the biggest failure to secure its own people that any UK government has experienced.

I'd be inclined to agree [edit: on China] if it was a one-off accident but it's the second after SARS and the second time they have tried to cover it up. Fortunately, SARS didn't burn across the globe as this has, but it could easily have. This second round of lies has caused a pandemic though and cost millions of deaths and trillions in debt that the next few generations will be saddled with. Should this be ignored and we just wait for the next global threat that they come up with?

 

[Tubey]

They're not the same thing.

The UK government is responsible for gross incompetence nationally and should be held to account for it.

However, ultimate responsibility is with the negligence of China. They were warned, they didn't listen - they should be held accountable akin to the losing side of a war. Massive reparations should be the outcome. It won't be, but it should.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

They're not the same thing.

The UK government is responsible for gross incompetence nationally and should be held to account for it.

However, ultimate responsibility is with the negligence of China. They were warned, they didn't listen - they should be held accountable akin to the losing side of a war. Massive reparations should be the outcome. It won't be, but it should.

Not sure if you were referring to my post, but I agree with both of your points.

 

[peteblue]

This is very sad.....

 

[peteblue]

I'd be inclined to agree [edit: on China] if it was a one-off accident but it's the second after SARS and the second time they have tried to cover it up. Fortunately, SARS didn't burn across the globe as this has, but it could easily have. This second round of lies has caused a pandemic though and cost millions of deaths and trillions in debt that the next few generations will be saddled with. Should this be ignored and we just wait for the next global threat that they come up with?

The major economies should cease all trade with China. Nothing else will make any difference to them, and it will happen again either accidentally or deliberately........

 

[roydo]

The major economies should cease all trade with China. Nothing else will make any difference to them, and it will happen again either accidentally or deliberately........

A LOT easier said than done.

Merica owes them trillions of dollars for a start.

 

[PhilM]

A LOT easier said than done.

Merica owes them trillions of dollars for a start.

Equally, China's economy is heavily reliant on exporting goods to many Western nations. It's a fiscal relationship that simply can't be risked by either side.

 

[roydo]

Equally, China's economy is heavily reliant on exporting goods to many Western nations. It's a fiscal relationship that simply can't be risked by either side.

Its pretty much totally reliant on it.

They also have huge tracts of Africa effectively acting as Chinese regions for their survival.

 

[davek]

I'd be inclined to agree [edit: on China] if it was a one-off accident but it's the second after SARS and the second time they have tried to cover it up. Fortunately, SARS didn't burn across the globe as this has, but it could easily have. This second round of lies has caused a pandemic though and cost millions of deaths and trillions in debt that the next few generations will be saddled with. Should this be ignored and we just wait for the next global threat that they come up with?

They're not the same thing.

The UK government is responsible for gross incompetence nationally and should be held to account for it.

However, ultimate responsibility is with the negligence of China. They were warned, they didn't listen - they should be held accountable akin to the losing side of a war. Massive reparations should be the outcome. It won't be, but it should.

The major economies should cease all trade with China. Nothing else will make any difference to them, and it will happen again either accidentally or deliberately........

Hmmm.

By your friends shall ye be known...

This leaflet came through the door the other day from The Epoch Times - a nasty little right wing libertarian loony Christian group.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Hmmm.

By your friends shall ye be known...

This leaflet came through the door the other day from The Epoch Times - a nasty little right wing libertarian loony Christian group.

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They are trying to reeducate you, Dave, like your mates are to the Rohingya. Once you have the correct hairstyle you will understand.