Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

FT running a story about AZ vaccine and not being effective against mild/moderate Covid19...a story that's attracting a lot of heat, btw.

It's firewalled, so cant get at it.

 

[jinkyali]

FT running a story about AZ vaccine and not being effective against mild/moderate Covid19...a story that's attracting a lot of heat, btw.

It's firewalled, so cant get at it.

It also says not one individual was hospitalised either. Come on Dave.

 

[davek]

It also says not one individual was hospitalised either. Come on Dave.

That's why I said: it's attracting a lot of heat.

AZ have made a statement:

AstraZeneca thinks shot can stop severe disease from South Africa COVID variant

British drugmaker AstraZeneca said on Saturday it believed its COVID-19 vaccine developed with the University of Oxford could protect against severe disease caused by the South African variant of the virus.

mobile.reuters.com

 

[grandjoeblue]

That's why I said: it's attracting a lot of heat.

AZ have made a statement:

AstraZeneca thinks shot can stop severe disease from South Africa COVID variant

British drugmaker AstraZeneca said on Saturday it believed its COVID-19 vaccine developed with the University of Oxford could protect against severe disease caused by the South African variant of the virus.

mobile.reuters.com

So it still works then. If people don't get ill it works.

 

[davek]

So it still works then. If people don't get ill it works.

We all want it to work. However, we have to face the fact that some vaccines will need more work done on them than others. That Reuters piece isn't exactly confidence inspiring on the efficacy of the AZ virus with that particular variant.

IMO, the data right from the off has positioned AZ as a vaccine that will be of use rolling out internationally to get a base of at least some protection for some people. It was meant to be that way too: a cheap vaccine that can be made in high volume to ship out. AZ IIRC aren't a Big Pharma company with a great deal of experience in vaccine production, and perhaps it's being demonstrated now.

 

[grandjoeblue]

We all want it to work. However, we have to face the fact that some vaccines will need more work done on them than others. That Reuters piece isn't exactly confidence inspiring on the efficacy of the AZ virus with that particular variant.

IMO, the data right from the off has positioned AZ as a vaccine that will be of use rolling out internationally to get a base of at least some protection for some people. It was meant to be that way too: a cheap vaccine that can be made in high volume to ship out. AZ IIRC aren't a Big Pharma company with a great deal of experience in vaccine production, and perhaps it's being demonstrated now.

AZ is the world leader and is saving lives. Its brilliant it really is.

If a few people get asymptomatic COVID but everyone lives thats not bad.

 

[davek]

AZ is the world leader and is saving lives. Its brilliant it really is.

If a few people get asymptomatic COVID but everyone lives thats not bad.

I dont understand that.

World leader? Asymptomatic?

 

[grandjoeblue]

I dont understand that.

World leader? Asymptomatic?

?

The goal of a vaccine is to stop people getting ill?

 

[Bedfordblue]

AZ is the world leader and is saving lives. Its brilliant it really is.

If a few people get asymptomatic COVID but everyone lives thats not bad.

I’d be surprised if AZ were in the top 5 never mind world leaders. Vaccines aren’t really their market. They’re certainly not in the Top 10 pharma co’s by revenue that’s for sure.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I’d be surprised if AZ were in the top 5 never mind world leaders. Vaccines aren’t really their market. They’re certainly not in the Top 10 pharma co’s by revenue that’s for sure.

By revenue?

We're talking saving lives not who is flogging more products.

 

[Bedfordblue]

By revenue?

We're talking saving lives not who is flogging more products.

Calm down dear, you stated they are the world leader. They are not by any measure.

That simple correction does not detract from the excellent work they and others are doing to counter the scourge of COVID.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Calm down dear, you stated they are the world leader. They are not by any measure.

That simple correction does not detract from the excellent work they and others are doing to counster the scourge of COVID.

They have produced the viable product which is saving lives. Time will tell.

 

[Bedfordblue]

They have produced the viable product which is saving lives. Time will tell.

Who is disputing that?
As for ‘the viable product’, I assume you ‘a viable product?’

FYI Moderna are projecting production of 600m dose’s for 2021.
Pfizer-BioNTech are aiming to deliver 200m doses to the US alone by July 21.

AZ are currently trying to increase production to 2m doses per week.

 

[LinekersLegs]

That's why I said: it's attracting a lot of heat.

AZ have made a statement:

AstraZeneca thinks shot can stop severe disease from South Africa COVID variant

British drugmaker AstraZeneca said on Saturday it believed its COVID-19 vaccine developed with the University of Oxford could protect against severe disease caused by the South African variant of the virus.

mobile.reuters.com

Included in that statement this bit, they definitely are leaning into giving an extended period between doses compared to the original 28 days

AstraZeneca confirmed that early data from a small trial, first reported by the Financial Times, had shown limited efficacy for the vaccine against mild disease primarily due to this variant.
"We do believe our vaccine could protect against severe disease, as neutralising antibody activity is equivalent to that of other COVID-19 vaccines that have demonstrated activity against more severe disease, particularly when the dosing interval is optimised to 8-12 weeks,"

 

[Billy Dean]