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Which part mate?
AZ tested the vaccine with 12 weeks' spacing and had positive results.
The only issue is the small sample size but the results were positive.
If it prevents illness then why does it matter re infection?
Well surely it shouldn't, once enough of the population are vaccinated.
Suppose issues then are the new mutations, but it seems the standard practice will be to release annual vaccinations to cope with that.
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Delaying second vaccine dose increases risk of new resistant strain, Sage reveals
Warning over ‘realistic possibility’ of resistant strains of the virus emerging
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And the same will apply with poor efficacy whether that's a particular vaccine or age group.
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As said earlier mate, I realy would like to hear from the scientists* employed on the Oxford vaccine, not only about the true efficacy of their vaccine but also what they feel about how their altruism in working towards a vaccine that would be for the benefit of all (rich and poor nations) is currently been fought over by a pack of hyenas, with AZ looking to profit from it.
*Have they gone to ground?
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The research is continuing mate, the team is still doing phase three trials in different jurisdictions, one hopefull one is in the US were they are doing a larger phase 3 trial, then the one published in the Lancet. The trial intake has a much bigger cohort of over 65s. Results of that should be known around March/April.
The team themselves seem a good hearted bunch, initially they wanted to give their formula to the world to mass produce. That decision changed abruptly and AZ came in, you can speculate why - Oxford University, Big Pharma throwing money to speed things up, deals with governments to accelerate etc. It was a turnaround.
The thing with vaccines really, is most Pharma aren’t interested in them, they are low cost and tend not to be repetitive - usually given yearly, they like the expensive drugs used daily. A vaccine is generally a couple of dollars. The difference here at this stage is, world beating reputation publicity, massive share price jumps and a world first glut for demand. The vaccine is what PPE was this time last year.
I don’t think AZ are as altruistic as many make out, given the technology of the vaccine they couldn’t price it like Pfizer or Moderna without being accused of price gouging, the difference in price is the cold chain required for the MRNAs.
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I suppose the Americans are better placed to delay for more testing before the licensing of the AZ vaccine, given their other vaccine suppliers.
I would like to hear what the scientists at Oxford think. We heard a great deal from them prior to the announcement that their vaccine had received an emergency license, but they seem to be nowhere to be seen since. Are they being muzzled?
Yeah, Big Pharma were always going to spread their vampiric wings around the vaccine programme.
Is there yet any cold, hard evidence that delaying the jabs causes what people are worried it does? I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just see a lot of articles (mostly dated several weeks ago).
People conveniently ignore that AZ tested the vaccine over longer spacing. because well, that just doesn't suit their argument does it.
The Pfizer jab probably shouldn't be messed with, but the six-week spacing seems to be working fine in Denmark and that goes against Pfizer advice too.
So far, it appears that the UK's vaccine approach is working. But, time's going to tell. Unfortunately in life, we don't get all of the answers as soon as we'd like them.
Infection rates are thankfully continuing to fall. Most likely the result of restrictions but it could well be that the vaccinations/first doses are starting to have an effect too. We have to see how it plays out.
Would have thought 4 years of insisting the world would end and sky would fall in the moment the UK left the EU would be enough for the political/vaccine/NHS/pandemic/China/virus all-in-one experts.
People conveniently ignore that AZ tested the vaccine over longer spacing. because well, that just doesn't suit their argument does it.
The Pfizer jab probably shouldn't be messed with, but the six-week spacing seems to be working fine in Denmark and that goes against Pfizer advice too.
So far, it appears that the UK's vaccine approach is working. But, time's going to tell. Unfortunately in life, we don't get all of the answers as soon as we'd like them.
Infection rates are thankfully continuing to fall. Most likely the result of restrictions but it could well be that the vaccinations/first doses are starting to have an effect too. We have to see how it plays out.
Would have thought 4 years of insisting the world would end and sky would fall in the moment the UK left the EU would be enough for the political/vaccine/NHS/pandemic/China/virus all-in-one experts.
It’s not that unusual mate to suspect anything sinister. The company’s AZ, Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford will take all the publicity and reputation benefits.
We live in a world were the general public will worship someone on Instagram, but likely the people involved in the development of the vaccines who have hopefully saved countless millions of life will go through life fairly unnoticed or acclaimed for their endeavours.
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Just building on my conversation with @Neiler above: we hear a lot from AZ spokespeople on this; I've yet to hear what the Oxford scientists have to say about spacing their vaccine out 12 weeks apart, though.
I think they'd be against that...but we dont know because they aren't speaking out.
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Yes, as a general rule that's true. However, members of the Oxford team were interviewed like rock stars during the development stages of the vaccine and just after it was passed for licensing....nowt since.
Gets me thinking.
I'm pretty sure it was one of the people involved in assessing that trial which - in a guardian article you posted on here - said that the longer spacing had provided the better results. They also explained it was an accident it had happened, a happy accident, but an accident nevertheless. But that's what science is, trial and error.
My point is, we have to see how it plays out. Pfizer roll out started mid-December, we have a lot of people who have received full doses - yes it could be more, but that would mean less people have received any protection at all.
The hope has to be that as more and more vaccines get approved and more and more AZ doses become available, that we can start shortening the spacing perhaps? But right now, we just don't know. All we know is infection rates are going down and the vaccine programme is getting doses into arms at speed. 600k today, that is nothing but positive, it just isn't.
Anyway, I'm off to sleep.
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