Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
The first thought of anyone now, surely, is to acknowledge that this government dont care if they live or die? So any decision they make re vaccines must be seen in that light. They'll roll anything out to deflect from them politically and they wont care about the health consequences. To think any other way is completely naive.

Your government dont care if you live or die; they care about staying in power long enough to make their sponsors and themselves fortunes. That is the grim reality. However, the reaction by many (and sadly many on here) is to act like serfs: parroting the vaccine nationalism BS headlines of the neo-liberal media and actually take great delight in knocking governments of other countries who actually do care about their populations and are discerning enough to be careful in the roll out of their vaccine programme and their acceptance of vaccines.

These people have accepted barbarism.
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Listening to the news there is going to be some mileage in what Macron mentioned in efficacy rates for AstraZeneca vaccine in people over 60, the government are stepping back from % themselves now and pointing fingers at our regulator... And the issue has been raised about partially immunized people and the dangers of it by public health England this morning...
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Listening to the news there is going to be some mileage in what Macron mentioned in efficacy rates for AstraZeneca vaccine in people over 60, the government are stepping back from % themselves now and pointing fingers at our regulator... And the issue has been raised about partially immunized people and the dangers of it by public health England this morning...
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what news? watched it all morning and nothing on the above
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Listening to the news there is going to be some mileage in what Macron mentioned in efficacy rates for AstraZeneca vaccine in people over 60, the government are stepping back from % themselves now and pointing fingers at our regulator... And the issue has been raised about partially immunized people and the dangers of it by public health England this morning...
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Maybe the horse has already bolted in relation to covid mutations and the vaccine.

"Sir Jeremy Farrar, a Sage member, has warned that Covid vaccines must be made available around the world in an effort to keep cases down and prevent new mutations which could escape the effects of the jabs".

"But Whitty does accept that by widening the gap between doses the risk of what he calls "an escape mutant" would be increased (that is the virus would mutate and build up resistance to the existing vaccines - which would be something of a setback)".

"4.8 Undesirable effects
Summary of the safety profile
The overall safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is based on an interim analysis of pooled data from four clinical trials conducted in the United Kingdom, Brazil, and South Africa".

The countries were the AstraZeneca vaccine were trialed have had mutations that are claimed to be 'more transmittable and more contagious'.
 
Leylo said:
Saying on news virus was here last January even December before wtf could of been even earlier, surely the powers that be knew
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Nope, and that is something that really must change (and should have changed after March's lockdown tbh) - eventually we are either going to be confronted with a new variety of this that the vaccines don't work on, or there is going to be a new pandemic disease.

To combat that we are going to need a system that can pick up new diseases very rapidly and put measures in place to contain them if they pose a risk - I'd even (for the next few years anyway) say that we should be encouraging people to get stay home and and report whenever they feel like they've got flu-like systems, the NHS / PHE will send someone round to their house, test and find out what it is.

If its normal flu then suitable advice, if its this then isolate (with support) track and trace. To do it properly will cost a couple of billion a year, but it will mean we never have to have a lockdown again, it will keep the extra testing capacity in use and will probably save a couple of thousand lives who would otherwise die of flu into the bargain.

If we don't set that up, theres nothing to prevent us going along this same ruinous route again.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Listening to the news there is going to be some mileage in what Macron mentioned in efficacy rates for AstraZeneca vaccine in people over 60, the government are stepping back from % themselves now and pointing fingers at our regulator... And the issue has been raised about partially immunized people and the dangers of it by public health England this morning...
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I did say like.

This is terrible news, btw. I have one elderly relative that's had an AZ jab and one who's lined up for one.

The utter balls up over this - the lies and cover ups are unspeakable. Heads have to roll.
 
davek said:
it “would be scientifically illiterate and wrong to quote significance on the basis of [one case of covid] in each arm of the trial.”
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Essentially there just isn't enough data mate and you could suggest either protection or a dipping of protection in over 65s, the article tries to be balanced which is why i posted it.

One thing strikes me though in analysis, AZ has got through regulation, but have a look at Sanofi, they have gone back to the drawing board because they have clear data that their vaccine that does not show a "safe" level of protection in over 65s and the changes of the immune system going forward from there. AZ might well be fine, but we dont know really. If Sanofi didn't have the data in their trial for over 65s and went for regulation would it have been approved - its an interesting one.

Still while the data isnt there, AZ does seem to offer some protection and checking bloods and the like there does to see to be (some) antibody response.
 
Moomin said:
Yes, they have been clear from the start and concerned that the richer nations who have the financial resources are going to buy all the vaccines and price the poorer nations out.

As you will see the likes of us, Isreal USA etc have ordered more than treble / quadruple the amounts of vaccines required for its people.
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That's fair enough, was a genuine question.

We have ordered them, but they haven't all arrived yet. Once the vulnerable groups are vaccinated then by all means but @ForeverBlue92 does also have a point.

But yeah, given a choice, I'd be sending vaccines to the African countries who have been ravaged by Ebola and now this for the last five years and trying to help them over anywhere else in the world.

In 2 months when the J&J and Novavax vaccines are hopefully up and running we should be in a much better position and so should the rest of Europe.
 
Perth W.A. calls snap 5 day lockdown as hotel quarentine security guard calls in sick and tests positive with UK variant presumably caught off a person in quarentine.

Edit1; It gets worse, the cricket final will more than likely be canceled
Edit2; Elsewhere in Australia, another security guard has been sacked for 'inappropriate social distancing' with a female under quarentine restrictions
 
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BlueToff said:
That's fair enough, was a genuine question.

We have ordered them, but they haven't all arrived yet. Once the vulnerable groups are vaccinated then by all means but @ForeverBlue92 does also have a point.

But yeah, given a choice, I'd be sending vaccines to the African countries who have been ravaged by Ebola and now this for the last five years and trying to help them over anywhere else in the world.

In 2 months when the J&J and Novavax vaccines are hopefully up and running we should be in a much better position and so should the rest of Europe.
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As a nation we have to look after ourselves first , which i get but we also need to be wary of the potential mutations that can develop in other areas of the world.

If we all work together we can eliminate the opportunities of this happening.
 
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