Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Christ, you are tedious. They don’t want to undermine it, they want the vaccines they’ve paid for.

Which is fine and absolutely correct.

However, would be a bit weird if they still wanted a vaccine which German government sources are now apparently claiming is next to hopeless for millions of people who need it?

So that does kind of cast doubt over the 8% claims.

 

[tsubaki]

Which is fine and absolutely correct.

However, would be a bit weird if they still wanted a vaccine which German government sources are now apparently claiming is next to hopeless for millions of people who need it?

So that does kind of cast doubt over the 8% claims.

it would be really daft for them to do that, yes - but then look at the source, Germany’s longest running comic

 

[Dymak]

I didn't say you were, and didn't mean it that way. I said myself, my nan probably is one of the safest people in terms of being at risk of catching COVID, because she never leaves her home and is cared for by my aunt and mum. But, if she did get it, then it probably wouldn't end well.

But hang on, isn't your argument that healthy working people of 50 should be getting the jab?

No mate, it’s that unhealthy people that would no doubt be classed as vulnerable just by looking at them, who are parents with kids etc, should be given higher priority than what they currently are.

I say just looking at them, but of course their clinical history would have relevance, but you don’t need to be on any LA ‘shielded’ list to be vulnerable.

 

[BlueToff]

it would be really daft for them to do that, yes - but then look at the source, Germany’s longest running comic

Assume you mean BILD? Totally agree, their equivalent of the S**. Isn't there another, more reputable, paper running it too, however?

Anyway, we'll see on that. I agree though, if the UK had secured x vaccines and the company then pulled out, we wouldn't be happy. In this case though, I don't think it's an 'us vs them' thing, which stories like the latest tonight could turn it into.

Trading block v Big Pharma has nowt to do with the UK government, imo.

 

[jinkyali]

Only two weeks ago Germany was praising the efficacy of AZ.

 

[davek]

There's no actual, provable evidence of this though. It's assumptions.

AZ have categorically denied it so BILD and the other publication are going to have to come up with some hard evidence that will stand up firmly under unbiased scrutiny, not someone who would blame this government for the sun collapsing in on itself.

I just find it far too convenient. If there is truth in it - there may well be some - then we'll find out, won't we. But you've convinced yourself based on nothing but one report which has now been taken down after AZ hit out at it?

So, what is the efficacy for older groups for the AZ vaccine? You knw, if 8% is not right?

 

[davek]

I really don’t see how any journalist could in good conscience publish this type of claim without having either government/medical sources who were prepared to go on the record or a published medical study.

The interpretation of the latter have been bad enough without amplifying what is effectively gossip.

I very much doubt the 8% is true, most of the scientists I read were not expecting a drop off in efficency based on age and it hadn’t happened in the smaller studies, but even if it does turn out to be true you need more concrete info before you publish something this damaging to public confidence.

I wonder if the 8% is lowest end of the confidence period for a first jab?

 

[davek]

Only two weeks ago Germany was praising the efficacy of AZ.

It can do that and also question its usage for over 65s.

 

[jinkyali]

German vaccine institute praises efficacy of Astra-Oxford vaccine

The head of Germany's vaccine regulator on Thursday described the success rate of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine as excellent, after some Australian scientists voiced scepticism about its efficacy.

mobile.reuters.com

Two weeks ago.
Come on.

 

[davek]

India, Argentina, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico and the UK...the countries so far handing emergency license use for the Oxford jab......

 

[Tubey]

Imagine if that is the reason lol lol lol lol

 

[COYBL25]

who are the ERA ?.....

I think he means the EMA - EU Regulation Agency

 

[Tubey]

German vaccine institute praises efficacy of Astra-Oxford vaccine

The head of Germany's vaccine regulator on Thursday described the success rate of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine as excellent, after some Australian scientists voiced scepticism about its efficacy.

www.reuters.com

11 days ago.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I wonder if the 8% is lowest end of the confidence period for a first jab?

With the second jab improving the results up to an acceptable standard?

Could be although still seems low for the initial dose, am trying to recall what those Phase 1/2 trials studies said for the under 65s for the first dose, can you?

8% would also be a marked difference from the initial studies of older patients

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32466-1/fulltext

ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 appears to be better tolerated in older adults than in younger adults and has similar immunogenicity across all age groups after a boost dose. Further assessment of the efficacy of this vaccine is warranted in all age groups and individuals with comorbidities.

Could someone have misunderstood and took 8% lower efficiency in over 65s to just mean 8%?

The US double blind Phase 3 results are expected for sometime in Feb which included over 65s so we’ll get some more data then at the very least.

 

[jinkyali]

Ready for bed but left wondering why the EU are so desperate about such a poor vaccine.. You'd think if the 8% stuff was true they would not be so keen to get there orders in time.