Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Our approach gives more people more protection quicker.

That's a good thing.

Someone's got to do it. Given we've got the worst death ratio in the world as of last week (per 100,000 or whatever), then I'd say it's a priority for us to get the vaccines out asap, but every single nation wants to be doing it quickly.
Worst virus-affected nation in the world requires emergency supplies of vaccine.

That sounds like nothing to be thankful for, tbh.

How anyone can still be finding ways of defending this cabal of mass murderers is beyond me.
 
Oh yeah Dave. It's been a real laugh for the last six months. Tell you what, it's been a right laugh in Tier 3 or lockdown since the end of October too. Can't get enough of it.
Tier 3 my arse, many people with the connivance of the Tory Death Cult still gathered for parties.
 
Worst virus-affected nation in the world requires emergency supplies of vaccine.

That sounds like nothing to be thankful for, tbh.

How anyone can still be finding ways of defending this cabal of mass murderers is beyond me.

Literally every single nation on the planet requires the vaccine and sharpish, because keeping populations locked up isn't the way out of this.

Even NZ and Aus - if they get one or two cases - are locking down. NZ I believe have suppressed it but they now have to get all their tourism etc back up and running. They can't do that without other countries getting vaccinated.

It's not defending our shambles to say that every country needs the vaccine and at this stage, the UK is vaccinating more than other comparable countries.
 
Tier 3 my arse, many people with the connivance of the Tory Death Cult still gathered for parties.

Where do you live Dave?

I'm in West Yorkshire, have been in Tier 3 or national lockdown since the last week of October.

No restaurants open, no pubs, gyms mostly shut, most independent small shops closed before the other week when they all shut.

Been 3 months of work, walking, running and the odd bike ride.
 
Where do you live Dave?

I'm in West Yorkshire, have been in Tier 3 or national lockdown since the last week of October.

No restaurants open, no pubs, gyms mostly shut, most independent small shops closed before the other week when they all shut.

Been 3 months of work, walking, running and the odd bike ride.

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He has his own passports, flag and stamps.
 
Literally every single nation on the planet requires the vaccine and sharpish, because keeping populations locked up isn't the way out of this.

Even NZ and Aus - if they get one or two cases - are locking down. NZ I believe have suppressed it but they now have to get all their tourism etc back up and running. They can't do that without other countries getting vaccinated.

It's not defending our shambles to say that every country needs the vaccine and at this stage, the UK is vaccinating more than other comparable countries.
Looks like we might have our first community transmission for a long time. I'm hearing that it is a matter of time until we get an out-break and back into some variety of lockdown.

Tbh things have been about as normal as you can get, except for the absence of tourists. I'm not sure what support there will be if we do have a lockdown as a lot of people are on the edge financially. Fingers crossed we can roll out the vacinne before that happens, but I doubt it.
 
Our approach gives more people more protection quicker.

That's a good thing.


Someone's got to do it. Given we've got the worst death ratio in the world as of last week (per 100,000 or whatever), then I'd say it's a priority for us to get the vaccines out asap, but every single nation wants to be doing it quickly.

It’s a calculated risk. Trading off getting the most number of people their first shot, against the unknown, untested efficacy of a delayed second shot.

We don’t know if it will be a good thing yet, as the UK is basically taking part in a nationwide live trial. I really hope the approach pays off, but make no mistake, the UK approach is radical and risky.
 
It’s a calculated risk. Trading off getting the most number of people their first shot, against the unknown, untested efficacy of a delayed second shot.

We don’t know if it will be a good thing yet, as the UK is basically taking part in a nationwide live trial. I really hope the approach pays off, but make no mistake, the UK approach is radical and risky.
A point made by the BMA only yesterday with other scientists. I'm not an expert on this, so I tend to take note when those who have experience talk about it.
 
A point made by the BMA only yesterday with other scientists. I'm not an expert on this, so I tend to take note when those who have experience talk about it.

Politics over following the Science.

Going forwards this will set a precedent and dangerous one. We got to appoint of regulation from some almighty cluster [Poor language removed] ups in medicine and health , that door for [Poor language removed] ups is now wider than it's has been for decades with this dosing decision.

Same people advocating this move by government politics are same ones who screech about politics interfering in their lives elsewhere, hypocrisy.
 
It’s a calculated risk. Trading off getting the most number of people their first shot, against the unknown, untested efficacy of a delayed second shot.

We don’t know if it will be a good thing yet, as the UK is basically taking part in a nationwide live trial. I really hope the approach pays off, but make no mistake, the UK approach is radical and risky.

Well, depends on the vaccine. I keep saying it but Pfizer one - they haven't tested so by all means I fully agree that they should go with the advice.

The Oxford AZ vaccine - Dave can argue the sample size was small, but the entire sample size for the vaccine was small. Of the people tested, there was better efficacy over a longer period of time so it is a calculated risk, but one with evidence to support it.
 
Politics over following the Science.
Exactly. The more I think about it, the more I have the belief that perhaps they're banking on the numbers from one dose wide-spread to relieve the pressure.

Although Johnson and Co. won't talk about lifting restrictions, I suspect they're eyeing a return as soon as possible to alleviate the financial and political pressure.

Perhaps a mass numbers of partial vaccines may be their avenue of doing - more people with partial resistance - rather than the slower, meticulous approach.

I wonder how any shortages of vaccines would impact on this. Don't get me wrong, any vaccine is better than none so credit where credit is due in that sense...

... but I do worry about the long-term impact of this; the overarching trend we've got from the government is a fair few short-term, ad hoc decisions.
 
It’s a calculated risk. Trading off getting the most number of people their first shot, against the unknown, untested efficacy of a delayed second shot.

We don’t know if it will be a good thing yet, as the UK is basically taking part in a nationwide live trial. I really hope the approach pays off, but make no mistake, the UK approach is radical and risky.
Not sure they have too much choice
More lockdown Vs a not fully tested vaccine that will probably be ok
 
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