Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[summerisle]

Hundreds of kids gleefully sledging in the snow on the hill by us.

Should I :

(a) Stand at the top of the hill with my megaphone, screaming MURDERERS at them.
(b) Call the Police and demand that mounted police clear them with a cavalry charge and baton rounds.
(c) Kettle them and then send them off for internment.
(d) Ready the nearest lamp posts for business.
(e) Enjoy the fact that amongst all the doom and gloom, they`re out of the house, getting some fresh air and enjoying themselves.

Put some sand down.

 

[arminisgod]

Our esteemed Prime Minister, best PR not on top of his brief not so good PR an outright liar, well I never.

Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant claim played down by scientists

One says he is surprised Boris Johnson shared the early data when it is "not particularly strong".

www.bbc.co.uk

don't just pin it on him, that bell Vallance has a lot to answer for. My sister worked under him at GSK and says he's a complete charlatan and useless

 

[Deckard2049]

There will always be rogue elements, but the 12 months of slow action and ignoring scientific advice by Boris is by far the biggest factor in our incredible death toll.

Globally there was no scientific advice relating to pandemics that advocated lockdowns. Even our own CSO and CMO were not advocating for masks and at one point Vallance said live on television that the strategy was to pursue herd immunity.

Doesn’t excuse the government who have clearly and wilfully ignored scientific advice numerous times. They’ve got it wrong on care homes, masks and border closures- and that’s just the start. But my opinion still stands that people let the scientists and “experts” off way too much in this country. We’re not China. We don’t censor or make dissenters disappear. It’s the 21st century- there’s countless public platforms to state your case if you disagree with what the government are doing.

 

[davek]

There has been multiple articles published - including one you linked yourself - which wrote about evidence of testing showing that the AZ one was more effective over 3 months.

It was an accident they found it, but that's kind of what science is about - testing theories and seeing what does and doesn't work.

The Pfizer one wasn't tested and I fully agree it should be 3 weeks and 3 weeks only.

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There isn’t much for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, as trials did not compare different dose spacing or compare one with two doses. The trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did include different spacing between doses, finding that a longer gap (two to three months) led to a greater immune response, but the overall participant numbers were small. In the UK study 59% (1407 of 2377) of the participants who had two standard doses received the second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first. In the Brazil study only 18.6% (384 of 2063) received a second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first.

Covid-19 vaccination: What’s the evidence for extending the dosing interval?

On 30 December the four UK chief medical officers announced that the second doses of the covid vaccines should be given towards the end of 12 weeks rather than in the previously recommended 3-4 weeks. Gareth Iacobucci and Elisabeth Mahase look at the questions this has raised In a letter sent...

www.bmj.com

 

[davek]

Our esteemed Prime Minister, best PR not on top of his brief not so good PR an outright liar, well I never.

Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant claim played down by scientists

One says he is surprised Boris Johnson shared the early data when it is "not particularly strong".

www.bbc.co.uk

That's how desperate they are to cover thier own tracks on not locking down. Attributing a level of danger to a variant that the study's authors didn't attribute to it in order to excuse their own lack of governance which has seen a massive rise in deaths. And Vallance and Whitty were willing to go along with it. If we needed anymore evidence that those two are not independent voices we had it with this.

 

[davek]

Globally there was no scientific advice relating to pandemics that advocated lockdowns. Even our own CSO and CMO were not advocating for masks and at one point Vallance said live on television that the strategy was to pursue herd immunity.

Doesn’t excuse the government who have clearly and wilfully ignored scientific advice numerous times. They’ve got it wrong on care homes, masks and border closures- and that’s just the start. But my opinion still stands that people let the scientists and “experts” off way too much in this country. We’re not China. We don’t censor or make dissenters disappear. It’s the 21st century- there’s countless public platforms to state your case if you disagree with what the government are doing.

There is no "but" - no qualification. This government, as they never tire of telling us, listen to scientific advice and then make their own decisions.

All roads lead to 10 and 11 Downing St...they caused half of the 90,000 deaths. Better governance would have spared tens of thousands. They will be held to account. One way or another.

 

[BlueToff]

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There isn’t much for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, as trials did not compare different dose spacing or compare one with two doses. The trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did include different spacing between doses, finding that a longer gap (two to three months) led to a greater immune response, but the overall participant numbers were small. In the UK study 59% (1407 of 2377) of the participants who had two standard doses received the second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first. In the Brazil study only 18.6% (384 of 2063) received a second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first.

Covid-19 vaccination: What’s the evidence for extending the dosing interval?

On 30 December the four UK chief medical officers announced that the second doses of the covid vaccines should be given towards the end of 12 weeks rather than in the previously recommended 3-4 weeks. Gareth Iacobucci and Elisabeth Mahase look at the questions this has raised In a letter sent...

www.bmj.com

I wouldn't call 59% of the numbers themselves small though.

 

[BlueToff]

There is no "but" - no qualification. This government, as they never tire of telling us, listen to scientific advice and then make their own decisions.

All roads lead to 10 and 11 Downing St...they caused half of the 90,000 deaths. Better governance would have spared tens of thousands. They will be held to account. One way or another.

I agree with that, lots of lives could have been sparred. Whether the answer was more draconian measures is what I disagree with. It was quicker action needed, not stricter.

 

[davek]

I wouldn't call 59% of the numbers themselves small though.

It's not rigourous...which is why thre BMJ are questiioning that route to rolling out with a 3 months gao between jabs.

 

[spectateur]

seem to be vaccinating 400k per day now. Really are getting it done. The whole population should be done by June at that rate

That's if they can continue to get deliveries of vaccine from the various suppliers.
There are reports of shortages affecting several countries.

 

[BlueToff]

It's not rigourous...which is why thre BMJ are questiioning that route to rolling out with a 3 months gao between jabs.

But it's a bigger majority of people than were given the shorter dosage spacing?

The issue is surely the amount of people tested in total? But regardless, the evidence that is there shows 3 weeks is more eficiant.

I cba arguing the toss. If they're giving people Pfizer, then by all means I don't think they should be extending the doseage. Whatever you think of the AZ one, they've tested the doseage spacing out, and got positive results.

It's better for more people to have more protection. That will do more for surpressing the virus.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

They should definitely keep giving the Pfizer jab 3-6 weeks between each one.

Can understand keeping the Oxford one at 12 weeks.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Globally there was no scientific advice relating to pandemics that advocated lockdowns. Even our own CSO and CMO were not advocating for masks and at one point Vallance said live on television that the strategy was to pursue herd immunity.

Doesn’t excuse the government who have clearly and wilfully ignored scientific advice numerous times. They’ve got it wrong on care homes, masks and border closures- and that’s just the start. But my opinion still stands that people let the scientists and “experts” off way too much in this country. We’re not China. We don’t censor or make dissenters disappear. It’s the 21st century- there’s countless public platforms to state your case if you disagree with what the government are doing.

Hence my post on here highlighting their ineptitude

 

[davek]

I agree with that, lots of lives could have been sparred. Whether the answer was more draconian measures is what I disagree with. It was quicker action needed, not stricter.

Look back at this government's own strategy at the start of this pandemic: they used graphs to explain that the best way of handling the virus was to kill off surges by having plenty of lockdowns. They were advised that by SAGE but they didn't stick to it. Once the economic cost was known to them they threw that plan out of the window and encouraged practically a normal time from June through to late November / early December.

That was a choice to discard a battle plan. They chose it. They are respinsoible for the deadly consequences.

 

[davek]

But it's a bigger majority of people than were given the shorter dosage spacing?

The issue is surely the amount of people tested in total? But regardless, the evidence that is there shows 3 weeks is more eficiant.

I cba arguing the toss. If they're giving people Pfizer, then by all means I don't think they should be extending the doseage. Whatever you think of the AZ one, they've tested the doseage spacing out, and got positive results.

It's better for more people to have more protection. That will do more for surpressing the virus.

That's not exactly conclusive for a scientist, is it?