Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[tsubaki]

I know from experience that it caused cancer treatments to be stopped and/or delayed.

What we have now is a combination of lockdown and vaccinations. We don't know for sure how this will pan out but certainly we shouldn't expect the lockdown to last as long as last spring?

I know it has - the point is that its the very large number of people who are very ill requiring treatment that are causing the pressure on the NHS, which is what is causing cancer treatments to be stopped or delayed. What the "lockdown sceptics" want would mean more people ill, more people requiring treatment and more pressure on the NHS.

 

[tsubaki]

Like I said, there’s plenty of other things to slate the Government for.

But if our vaccine response is so terrible I would question why there are only three nations worldwide with a higher dose administration per capita, and not a single western nation.

well:

i) we have a socialised public health system, which is best at things on a large scale
ii) other governments are probably following the initial vaccine guidance (ie: two doses within 21-28 days)
iii) AstraZeneca manufacture the vaccine here (they do elsewhere as well, but we have a lot of native capacity)
iv) we are a relatively (in population terms) dense country, with good transport links and - to be frank - not much else to do at present

 

[BlueToff]

Agree with most of that. Genuine question, but if we do immunise the 70+ age group and frontline care, why can't we have a nationwide tier 2? Cases and deaths should be on the tip by then and the group immunised account for almost 90%? Of the deaths.

I’d be all for it but just think the best solution in the first month or so would be a more cautious approach?
I’ve lived in either tier 3/lockdown now since the end of October. The case rates in West Yorks - which is very densely populated for the size of the area - are still very low relatively speaking. So clearly, Tier 3 works to an extent

 

[Brennan]

well:

i) we have a socialised public health system, which is best at things on a large scale
ii) other governments are probably following the initial vaccine guidance (ie: two doses within 21-28 days)
iii) AstraZeneca manufacture the vaccine here (they do elsewhere as well, but we have a lot of native capacity)
iv) we are a relatively (in population terms) dense country, with good transport links and - to be frank - not much else to do at present

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine. Looks like that was a good call ? People were advocating that we should have ordered more from Pfizer, who are now having issues with production.

This ties into your second point around doses. Firstly I’m not sure that the dosing schedule is having that much of an impact on other nations, but if it is then that again points to AZ being a good choice.

Doses per 100...

UK - 5.42
Germany - 1.15
Spain - 1.64
Italy - 1.66
Sweden - 0.79
Belgium - 0.43


There are plenty of other European nations which are densely populated which aren’t close to the numbers of doses the UK has administered. As for having nothing else to do, well that applies to pretty much every western nation.

 

[sbbefc]

I know it has - the point is that its the very large number of people who are very ill requiring treatment that are causing the pressure on the NHS, which is what is causing cancer treatments to be stopped or delayed. What the "lockdown sceptics" want would mean more people ill, more people requiring treatment and more pressure on the NHS.

Makes sense.

 

[tsubaki]

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine. Looks like that was a good call ? People were advocating that we should have ordered more from Pfizer, who are now having issues with production.

This ties into your second point around doses. Firstly I’m not sure that the dosing schedule is having that much of an impact on other nations, but if it is then that again points to AZ being a good choice.

Doses per 100...

UK - 5.42
Germany - 1.15
Spain - 1.64
Italy - 1.66
Sweden - 0.79
Belgium - 0.43


There are plenty of other European nations which are densely populated which aren’t close to the numbers of doses the UK has administered. As for having nothing else to do, well that applies to pretty much every western nation.

The AZ thing is something we'll only find out over the next year, but it being simpler to store and transport was always going to make it much easier to deliver.

In terms of doses per 100, the measure there really needs to be whether those doses are effective or not. If we are just giving everyone a dose now for a few weeks protection to get through this period then yes, we are going to do more people but we are always going to end up doing far more than the other countries have to (ie: three or even four doses rather than just the two proscribed two). We should be doing this properly - if we are then great, but I have a lot of doubts.

This could just be yet more statistical fun from the government, in the same way that tests sent in the post were counted as "done" at one stage.

 

[BlueToff]

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine. Looks like that was a good call ? People were advocating that we should have ordered more from Pfizer, who are now having issues with production.

This ties into your second point around doses. Firstly I’m not sure that the dosing schedule is having that much of an impact on other nations, but if it is then that again points to AZ being a good choice.

Doses per 100...

UK - 5.42
Germany - 1.15
Spain - 1.64
Italy - 1.66
Sweden - 0.79
Belgium - 0.43


There are plenty of other European nations which are densely populated which aren’t close to the numbers of doses the UK has administered. As for having nothing else to do, well that applies to pretty much every western nation.

The AZ evidence too points to it being more efficient with 12 weeks of spacing.
The only thing that I personally can see risky or wrong with the vaccine roll out so far in the UK is extending the 3 weeks’ spacing which has been recommended by Pfizer, as Pfizer didn’t test it longer than 3 weeks. So if the evidence isn’t there that it’s as efficient or more efficient then I don’t think we should be taking that risk.

There’s a long way to go but if the NHS can keep this pace up we’re going to have finally got ‘something’ right in this entire thing.

 

[summerisle]

 

[summerisle]

 

[Billy Dean]

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine. Looks like that was a good call ? People were advocating that we should have ordered more from Pfizer, who are now having issues with production.

This ties into your second point around doses. Firstly I’m not sure that the dosing schedule is having that much of an impact on other nations, but if it is then that again points to AZ being a good choice.

Doses per 100...

UK - 5.42
Germany - 1.15
Spain - 1.64
Italy - 1.66
Sweden - 0.79
Belgium - 0.43


There are plenty of other European nations which are densely populated which aren’t close to the numbers of doses the UK has administered. As for having nothing else to do, well that applies to pretty much every western nation.

The UK approved the vaccines much faster too. The EMA has taken a slower approach rightly or wrongly.

 

[xena]

The AZ evidence too points to it being more efficient with 12 weeks of spacing.
The only thing that I personally can see risky or wrong with the vaccine roll out so far in the UK is extending the 3 weeks’ spacing which has been recommended by Pfizer, as Pfizer didn’t test it longer than 3 weeks. So if the evidence isn’t there that it’s as efficient or more efficient then I don’t think we should be taking that risk.

There’s a long way to go but if the NHS can keep this pace up we’re going to have finally got ‘something’ right in this entire thing.

You have had to repeat your explanation about the spacing of vaccine a few times if what you say is true i totally agree especially the oxford one .On the Pfizer one my dad had that yesterday and im just glad he's got some protection doesn't know when to expect his next dose ,don't know how long it will last just glad he's had it.Get into as many people as possible as quick as they can at least he's got some protection until his next dose .

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

Rose Hall Hilton in Montego Bay is a good hotel to stay in. I watched cricket in Gros Islet and it was magical: boyhood dream stuff.

Stayed there a couple of years back great place.

 

[Cool_Blue]

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine.

Don’t touch it, it’s GNAT’S PISS lol

 

[grandjoeblue]

The Government were slated by some on here for going with the AZ vaccine. Looks like that was a good call ? People were advocating that we should have ordered more from Pfizer, who are now having issues with production.

This ties into your second point around doses. Firstly I’m not sure that the dosing schedule is having that much of an impact on other nations, but if it is then that again points to AZ being a good choice.

Doses per 100...

UK - 5.42
Germany - 1.15
Spain - 1.64
Italy - 1.66
Sweden - 0.79
Belgium - 0.43


There are plenty of other European nations which are densely populated which aren’t close to the numbers of doses the UK has administered. As for having nothing else to do, well that applies to pretty much every western nation.

The AZ vaccine is the world leader. I remember certain posters constantly talking about efficiency. Efficiency doesn't matter when the product is not viable.

The AZ vaccine will be the most used vaccine across the world its very easy to see that happening.

 

[roydo]

India starting the largest vax programme, ever soon.

300 million by July. (This July).