Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[COYBL25]

It's staff wont be keeping patients/customers hanging around hours between adrenaline shots. That's the point. If a reaction occurs in a health provider setting it's highly unlikely they'd be sent packing the moment the reaction had subsided.

It beggars belief I'm having to state that the environment of a supermarket at the height of a pandemic is not a safe environment for a vaccine roll out, and that a pharmacy within it wont be as well stocked and staffed as an orthodox medical facility.

How about people being allowed to make up their own mind, when and where they get it. Rather than you trying to make it up for them, by using your usual feeble attempts at psychological coercion

 

[roydo]

It's staff wont be keeping patients/customers hanging around hours between adrenaline shots. That's the point. If a reaction occurs in a health provider setting it's highly unlikely they'd be sent packing the moment the reaction had subsided.

It beggars belief I'm having to state that the environment of a supermarket at the height of a pandemic is not a safe environment for a vaccine roll out, and that a pharmacy within it wont be as well stocked and staffed as an orthodox medical facility.

Christ on a bike.

Any pharmacy that administers any jabs HAVE to comply with exact same requirements as a GP. There are things pharmacists can do, medically, that GPs cannot. Because the GPs are not allowed to.

What stacks of drugs do you think a GP surgery holds as routine?

Why are pharmacists allowed to administer drugs to folk?

Why does every single prescription issued have the name and signature (ish) of the dispensing chemist on?

 

[Goat]

Christ on a bike.

Any pharmacy that administers any jabs HAVE to comply with exact same requirements as a GP. There are things pharmacists can do, medically, that GPs cannot. Because the GPs are not allowed to.

What stacks of drugs do you think a GP surgery holds as routine?

Why are pharmacists allowed to administer drugs to folk?

Why does every single prescription issued have the name and signature (ish) of the dispensing chemist on?

Dave thinks GPs are mini hospitals.

They arent, if they have issues they ring an ambulance.

They have limited medical care, hell every time I go the doctors they seem to wiki my symptoms to determine the treatment or look in their big medical books.

I don't think they are real Doctors.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Would these pharmacies though have the facilities and know-how to deal with a major allergic reaction ?

Yes. They're a pharmacy...

 

[davek]

Pretty sure it's a legal requirement to have adrenaline ready to administer, I know it's in similar settings, just not sure about pharmacies. Thing is it will be the pharmacist unless there are putting other professionals in. Was almost riots at our boots with flu vaccine was rolled, people were queuing for 1 hour so just to collect meds while they did the flu clinic.

Another reason why the environment is not the optimal one.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Thanks for the reassurance, but still not sure in my own mind that they could deal with a major allergic reaction.

They're more likely to have the required adrenalin etc than your GP will...

 

[Billy Dean]

Would these pharmacies though have the facilities and know-how to deal with a major allergic reaction ?

Had a flu jab last year at a chemist. They told me I had to wait around for 15 mins afterwards in case I had a reaction. So I guess they know what to do.

 

[davek]

Christ on a bike.

Any pharmacy that administers any jabs HAVE to comply with exact same requirements as a GP. There are things pharmacists can do, medically, that GPs cannot. Because the GPs are not allowed to.

What stacks of drugs do you think a GP surgery holds as routine?

Why are pharmacists allowed to administer drugs to folk?

Why does every single prescription issued have the name and signature (ish) of the dispensing chemist on?

But a GP surgery or a medical centre dont have hundreds of people weaving their way in and out of them all day and every day as people are looking to get in and out asap for a vaccine.

It;s a complete bogus equaivalency to suggest a supermarket can replicate the conditions of a medical facility.

Unbelievabe the reaction to this.

My point in this debate has been that in a world where we have a properly funded local health care system we would'nt have to rely on a supermarket to administer a vaccine at the height of a pandemic in an environment that's known to be a key transmitter of this virus.

So I can only assume that by objecting to that statement that you and others here actually believe it's a good thing that supermarkets are having to step in and offer their pharmacies to roll this vaccine, and that the cuts and reorganisation of our local health care system over the last few decades have been a useful thing.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Dave thinks GPs are mini hospitals.

They arent, if they have issues they ring an ambulance.

They have limited medical care, hell every time I go the doctors they seem to wiki my symptoms to determine the treatment or look in their big medical books.

I don't think they are real Doctors.

hahahaha, never change Goat lol

 

[davek]

How about people being allowed to make up their own mind, when and where they get it. Rather than you trying to make it up for them, by using your usual feeble attempts at psychological coercion

Ha Ha ha. You chase me around this forum commenting on every post made and then you complain I'm coercing you to read it.

You scoundrel.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Dave thinks GPs are mini hospitals.

They arent, if they have issues they ring an ambulance.

They have limited medical care, hell every time I go the doctors they seem to wiki my symptoms to determine the treatment or look in their big medical books.

I don't think they are real Doctors.

Been encouraged to be front line care for some time rather than GP. They have already been allowed to reduce their requirement to operate by 2.5 hours a day due to the significant extra pressure they are dealing with during the pandemic. They also tend to be a dumping ground for operational issues from health boards, when they have exhausted front line staff good will and monies.

 

[Goat]

Been encouraged to be front line care for some time rather than GP. They have already been allowed to reduce their requirement to operate by 2.5 hours a day due to the significant extra pressure they are dealing with during the pandemic. They also tend to be a dumping ground for operational issues from health boards, when they have exhausted front line staff good will and monies.

Yeah, don't get me wrong mate, wasn't a dig.

Got nothing but respect for anybody in healthcare.

 

[roydo]

But a GP surgery or a medical centre dont have hundreds of people weaving their way in and out of them all day and every day as people are looking to get in and out asap for a vaccine.

It;s a complete bogus equaivalency to suggest a supermarket can replicate the conditions of a medical facility.

Unbelievabe the reaction to this.

My point in this debate has been that in a world where we have a properly funded local health care system we would'nt have to rely on a supermarket to administer a vaccine at the height of a pandemic in an environment that's known to be a key transmitter of this virus.

So I can only assume that by objecting to that statement that you and others here actually believe it's a good thing that supermarkets are having to step in and offer their pharmacies to roll this vaccine, and that the cuts and reorganisation of our local health care system over the last few decades have been a useful thing.

Pharmacies are using pretty much the exact same protocols as surgeries. And the bolded bit? Its terrific that the 000's of pharmacies in the country have the expertise and experience to help the vax programme.

You talked absolute nonsense advising folk what vaccine to take. Now you are saying they shouldnt go to a pharmacy. All down some neo liberal guff that seems to sustain you.

 

[davek]

Pharmacies are using pretty much the exact same protocols as surgeries. And the bolded bit? Its terrific that the 000's of pharmacies in the country have the expertise and experience to help the vax programme.

You talked absolute nonsense advising folk what vaccine to take. Now you are saying they shouldnt go to a pharmacy. All down some neo liberal guff that seems to sustain you.

How on earth can you state that when I've highlighted umpteen times that it's the ENVIRONMENT that's the difference?

You seem to want to choose to not deal with that.

And I'm not advising anyone to do anything. I made a statement that there is no way a supermarket would have been used to vaccinate people if we still had proper facilities at a local level to do it. Just that. And I'm right.

Also, I haven't said people shouldn't go the pharmacy. Not at all. In fact, I've even stated that the supermarket vaccine roll is understandable if its administering vaccines to groups who are not vulnerable.

 

[roydo]

I made a statement that there is no way a supermarket would have been used to vaccinate people if we still had proper facilities at a local level to do it.

What did we do the other year when we needed to vaccinate 65 million people asap?

If our system has the capacity and functionality to use every single option we have to deliver it, we should use it, no?

That might include pharmacies, who are very much part of the medical system. And do jabs anyrate.

You saying "we should have done that, we should have done this" is all well and good in a discussion group with no consequence. But I would prefer to use every single thing we have at our disposal.