Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

Isn’t it largely irrelevant though.

And the reason why people should focus on excess deaths (which are highly correlated to the rise in case numbers).

But it’s silly. People are thinking about it the wrong way. You don’t die of cancer. You die of complications due to cancer. To the nth degree you die because your heart stops and they can’t get it to beat again.

Ive not doubt that mistakes are made on death certs but I don’t think there is this big conspiracy to over state the numbers. If someone had covid and they die then it is a contributing factor and should be on the death certificate. If the complications due to covid are a factor (contracting pneumonia weeks later for instance) then it should be on the death cert.

You don’t generally have a single reason on the cert.

I was thinking the other day that excess deaths will be hard to judge when the vaccination programme is complete. Surely there will still be excess deaths from cancer etc later this year even when COVID deaths are vastly reduced?

I was also thinking that if people can technically still catch covid with no symptoms after vaccinations, if older people caught it with no symptoms but then die of old age would covid be listed on the certificate?

 

[Cool_Blue]

I’ll play.

The sun is shining, it’s mid August, it’s the school holidays, everyone bar the under 40’s has been vaccinated.

Do you honestly think we’ll still be in lockdown, that pubs, hotels and restaurants etc will be shut, that holidaying isn’t allowed and we’ll still be living under the current restrictions ???

I’ll be out ordering OVERPRICED MUCK every frigging day by August

 

[StreetEndBlue]

Why is that it if anyone gets the virus, gets over it but dies within a month, even if it's of something totally different, they go on the stats as a covid death?

So you could have a mild dose of it, shake it off but then say get killed in a road accident a few weeks !ater, you will be you going the list of covid deaths just because you had a positive test in the previous 28 days. It's clear cynical manipulation of statistics for me.

Reading elsewhere on social media it seems plenty of families of deceased people have been annoyed at having covid put on death certificates of their loved ones when they've not even died from that.

 

[mill]

I was thinking the other day that excess deaths will be hard to judge when the vaccination programme is complete. Surely there will still be excess deaths from cancer etc later this year even when COVID deaths are vastly reduced?

I was also thinking that if people can technically still catch covid with no symptoms after vaccinations, if older people caught it with no symptoms but then die of old age would covid be listed on the certificate?

What do you mean by excess deaths from cancer? Do you mean because of lack of treatment due to Covid?

I think if there is any material increase in excess deaths, no matter the cause, then you’d have to put it down as related to Covid.

Re your last point, lack of symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t a contributory factor.

 

[mill]

I’ll be out ordering OVERPRICED MUCK every frigging day by August

Lol

 

[mill]

Why is that it if anyone gets the virus, gets over it but dies within a month, even if it's of something totally different, they go on the stats as a covid death?

So you could have a mild dose of it, shake it off but then say get killed in a road accident a few weeks !ater, you will be you going the list of covid deaths just because you had a positive test in the previous 28 days. It's clear cynic manipulation of statistics for me.

How many people do you think this is happening to? Do you think it’s statistically significant?

Can you explain the virtue in the government overstating numbers please?

 

[BlueStevie35]

Lad I know had been furloughed most of 2020 and loved it - lives with his parents still so no mortgage to worry about, no escape needed as he has no missus chewing his ear off over anything & everything.

Fair play to him but I wouldn't want to live that sort of life.

I’m 5 days into my 3rd spell off work (furlough period officially kicked in yesterday), I still live at home but I pay keep every month and chip in doing housework and cooking and it’s so frustrating.

 

[grandjoeblue]

What do you mean by excess deaths from cancer? Do you mean because of lack of treatment due to Covid?

I think if there is any material increase in excess deaths, no matter the cause, then you’d have to put it down as related to Covid.

Re your last point, lack of symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t a contributory factor.

Yes lack of treatments. The number of cancer diagnoses has dropped massively so surely that will become a problem at some point.

I'm not talking about 2020 or now. I mean in future it might be hard to fully evaluate causation. Without a full autopsy it must be hard to work out causes of deaths.

 

[BlueToff]

That's a hasty fix that isn't a fix.

Learn the lesson: the economy will have to wait. Get maximum vaccinations done then think about opening up the economy. All the rest is swivel eyed Tory BS that'll go on taking lives.

It's not just about the economy.

People's livelihoods aren't about the economy.

There is no justification for lockdowns when the vulnerable are vaccinated. None at all.

 

[Goat]

Why is that it if anyone gets the virus, gets over it but dies within a month, even if it's of something totally different, they go on the stats as a covid death?

So you could have a mild dose of it, shake it off but then say get killed in a road accident a few weeks !ater, you will be you going the list of covid deaths just because you had a positive test in the previous 28 days. It's clear cynical manipulation of statistics for me.

Reading elsewhere on social media it seems plenty of families of deceased people have been annoyed at having covid put on death certificates of their loved ones when they've not even died from that.

Christ.

Scary you lad.

 

[BlueToff]

Same for me. I have to go to the office when called in. If I need to go to the shops a few times a week I will. Go out for a walk with the family every other day. It’s a crap life at the moment and can’t see how to restrict it further nor am I willing to.

I'm happy to just get on with it, but I'm not being locked in my home.

My 2 days a week in an office are totally lone working. The place is deep cleaned on a weekend too and I have to follow a procedure when in the office.

I'm not gonna stop seeing my parents as they're the only people I see other than 3 that I live with - one of whom works in a hospital on the covid wards and has had both of her jabs. The other two now wfh.

I have avoided the big ASDA near me as much as possible and try to go to the smaller shop at quieter times.

Other than that my life is getting out for exercise when the weather permits and that's pretty much it - working from home for my other job.

I think it's all BS though (the stuff in the Mail article).

There's no chance the government can enforce it. And how are they to know if someone is leaving their house more than once a week.

 

[davek]

It's not just about the economy.

People's livelihoods aren't about the economy.

There is no justification for lockdowns when the vulnerable are vaccinated. None at all.

The justification is to protect life. The vulnerable are still the vulnerable while the bulk of the popualtion are not immune. The vaccines are not 100%.

 

[gav1985]

Staying at home is absolutely rubbish. In to my third shielding sting now. Did about 4 months the first time, a month the second and god knows how long this time. Barely seen anybody at all since March (wife and kids aside). Not sure how many more stints I can do at home tbh

 

[summerisle]

That Tier 2 worked out well :



1/12/20

22/12/20

5/1/21

Tory incompetence writ large.

 

[BlueToff]

The justification is to protect life. The vulnerable are still the vulnerable while the bulk of the popualtion are not immune. The vaccines are not 100%.

Yes, and the vaccines never will be 100%.

But this virus doesn't put the vast majority of people who get it in hospital. Nowhere close.

SO once those people are vaccinated, they have some form of protection. Their immune systems will do the rest - our bodies can deal with this. Even with mutations, there's no evidence the vaccine won't still give that base assurance of protection.

You keep rolling out the vaccines asap to every single person, but there should be some form of allowances and ease on restrictions or there might as well never be.