Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[zzr45]

I mean you did say it's mental we're locking down the country to save old people. As in, are they worth it.

Not really.

The initial post said it seems mental to not use the second dose. As does, on paper, a lockdown of everyone when the most at risk group represents a far end of a spectrum. However, it’s something that we’ve come to accept as a society to protect that minority.

There’s plenty of examples of stuff that’s gone on throughout this that seems mental, such as the cancellation of cancer screenings etc. that we’ve reluctantly gone along with.

 

[zzr45]

I find your comments highly offensive.
Learn to think before speaking!

No, you’re just thick pal.

Edit - oh dear.

 

[tsubaki]

Not really.

The initial post said it seems mental to not use the second dose. As does, on paper, a lockdown of everyone when the most at risk group represents a far end of a spectrum. However, it’s something that we’ve come to accept as a society to protect that minority.

There’s plenty of examples of stuff that’s gone on throughout this that seems mental, such as the cancellation of cancer screenings etc. that we’ve reluctantly gone along with.

this is far more mental than any of that though; it could easily result in at least half a million doses being wasted, and people who should been protected dying because that protection didn’t work because the NHS ignored the instructions for use. The legal liabilities alone for this are immense.

 

[BlueToff]

People moaning about lockdowns and masks usually have a union jack in their twitter handle and read the daily mail while listening to talk radio.

This is also true.

I don't worry about them because they're idiots though, and most sensible people won't listen to anti-vaxers.

 

[Brennan]

No, you’re just thick pal.

Edit - oh dear.

Up ?

 

[BlueToff]

The first lockdown never worked, we went into it too late and came out too early and never had a track and trace system working.

Their will be a full lockdown again due to these failures.

Hmm, it did work though. Cases went down after the initial spike and then stayed flat through the summer.

They spiked when the unis and schools went back (but unis was the issue, no need for it) and then obviously the weather turning makes it easier to spread/people more susceptible to viruses in general - that's just common sense.

Agree on track and trace.

 

[Nymzee]

Not really.

The initial post said it seems mental to not use the second dose. As does, on paper, a lockdown of everyone when the most at risk group represents a far end of a spectrum. However, it’s something that we’ve come to accept as a society to protect that minority.

There’s plenty of examples of stuff that’s gone on throughout this that seems mental, such as the cancellation of cancer screenings etc. that we’ve reluctantly gone along with.

Lockdowns to protect vulnerable people aren't mental - they're necessary.

Wasting vaccine doses? Mental.

Hardly comparable "mental" scenarios.

 

[Moomin]

Hmm, it did work though. Cases went down after the initial spike and then stayed flat through the summer.

They spiked when the unis and schools went back (but unis was the issue, no need for it) and then obviously the weather turning makes it easier to spread/people more susceptible to viruses in general - that's just common sense.

Agree on track and trace.

But the lockdown didn't succeed compared to the likes of Taiwan , Japan , South Korea.

We wasted the initial lockdown.

 

[zzr45]

Lockdowns to protect vulnerable people aren't mental - they're necessary.

Wasting vaccine doses? Mental.

Hardly comparable "mental" scenarios.

If at the start of the year you were told that you’d be kept in your own home most of the year for the protection of a minority of people you’d probably find it pretty ‘mental’.

For all we know this could be one of those situations. The same way in that it seemed mental that we didn’t have enough ventilators, until it transpired they weren’t the best option.

 

[BlueToff]

But the lockdown didn't succeed compared to the likes of Taiwan , Japan , South Korea.

We wasted the initial lockdown.

Didn't Japan have a huge spike after the initial lockdown?

Everywhere in Europe wasted the initial lockdown by that logic.

It seems that countries that went with the SARS model (Asian countires, Aus and NZ) generally had more success than anywhere else (which went with the Flu epidemic model).

The UK's obvious advantage over Europe was that it's an island and could have closed the borders and tried to isolate it that way. We'd still have had the issue of population density and climate, though, which would have meant we'd have been unlikely to have the same success Aus and NZ have had, but should still have tried it.

 

[Moomin]

Didn't Japan have a huge spike after the initial lockdown?

Everywhere in Europe wasted the initial lockdown by that logic.

It seems that countries that went with the SARS model (Asian countires, Aus and NZ) generally had more success than anywhere else (which went with the Flu epidemic model).

The UK's obvious advantage over Europe was that it's an island and could have closed the borders and tried to isolate it that way. We'd still have had the issue of population density and climate, though, which would have meant we'd have been unlikely to have the same success Aus and NZ have had, but should still have tried it.

At one point earlier in the year we were the only country in the world that had no travel restrictions.

 

[BlueToff]

So 82 year olds don’t count.

Despicable statement... and one you should be thoroughly ashamed about making.

Give your head a massive wobble and go and crawl back under which ever rock you belong!

He hasn't actually said that

 

[BlueToff]

At one point earlier in the year we were the only country in the world that had no travel restrictions.

Yep, absolutely mental mate. I fully agree with that, and that the initial lockdown came too late.

 

[Moomin]

Didn't Japan have a huge spike after the initial lockdown?

Everywhere in Europe wasted the initial lockdown by that logic.

It seems that countries that went with the SARS model (Asian countires, Aus and NZ) generally had more success than anywhere else (which went with the Flu epidemic model).

The UK's obvious advantage over Europe was that it's an island and could have closed the borders and tried to isolate it that way. We'd still have had the issue of population density and climate, though, which would have meant we'd have been unlikely to have the same success Aus and NZ have had, but should still have tried it.

 

[BlueToff]

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That spike in May is what I was referring to.

They had hardly any cases and then it spiked up.

I'll try and find the graph. It was that guy who works for the financial times.

Again, this isn't a game of one-upmanship.