Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

There's been 'careful' and then there's just continously not enjoying things you should be able to enjoy in life, though.

Look, we've had it a lot easier than other generations, I get it, but it doesn't mean that once people who need it are vaccinated (in general, obviously) people should still be afraid to get back to normal.

'Normal' will be different anyway. It's ingrained now, and I can't see a return to anything like there was before in terms of the general attitude of people - social distancing will still be a thing just because people's minds are set like that now.

But if you're fit and healthy (generally speaking) and not in a vulnerable age group, then there's no point living in fear of this thing once the people who need the vaccine have it.

The point is to protect others. You're much more likely to catch a serious bout of STREP and die from that than you are COVID, but people don't live in fear of that.

If you lived in fear, you'd never leave the house. Which is what some people want.

Everyone needs to take it, not just the vulnerable...who will remain vulnerable as long as there's still divvies roaming around with the virus in them who wont take it.

How hard is it to comprehend that fundamental point?

 

[Deleted member 48881]

There's been 'careful' and then there's just continously not enjoying things you should be able to enjoy in life, though.

Look, we've had it a lot easier than other generations, I get it, but it doesn't mean that once people who need it are vaccinated (in general, obviously) people should still be afraid to get back to normal.

'Normal' will be different anyway. It's ingrained now, and I can't see a return to anything like there was before in terms of the general attitude of people - social distancing will still be a thing just because people's minds are set like that now.

But if you're fit and healthy (generally speaking) and not in a vulnerable age group, then there's no point living in fear of this thing once the people who need the vaccine have it.

The point is to protect others. You're much more likely to catch a serious bout of STREP and die from that than you are COVID, but people don't live in fear of that.

If you lived in fear, you'd never leave the house. Which is what some people want.

Esatto my friend.

 

[davek]

I think we can anticipate what's going to happen now: richer people demanding and getting the more efficacious vaccine and the AstraZenica lot being distributed to everyone else.

So much for Johnson and his world beating PPE, testing kits...and now vaccines.

 

[BlueToff]

Everyone needs to take it, not just the vulnerable...who will remain vulnerable as long as there's still divvies roaming around with the virus in them.

How hard is it to comprehend that fundamental point?

Dave, you're totally getting the wrong end of the stick.

Of course I will take it when it is available to me. But, as a 25-year-old who is probably healthier than your average person, I'm not going to be top of the list - and rightly so.

So as soon as it is available to me, I'll get it.

But me not having it - and other people in a similar group/age etc to me not having it - should not stop life returning to some form of normality in the meantime, as long as the people who need it to survive have it.

 

[BlueToff]

I think we can anticipate what's going to happen now: richer people demanding and getting the more efficacious vaccine and the AstraZenica lot being distributed to everyone else.

So much for Johnson and his world beating PPE, testing kits...and now vaccines.

My housemate has been working on the COVID wards for the last month now.

For all the initial faults, and there are too many to count, we all know that, the PPE they now have available is doing the job exactly as it should.

She said she's basically in close to a space suit every day, they're that protected.

The travesty is that they were so utterly and woefully ill-prepared at the start of the pandemic - think we can both agree on that - and that cost lives.

 

[zzr45]

Question: why is it that apparently if my family met at Christmas, we’d be essentially casting a death sentence on my Nan and grandad?

Follow up question - why are we resurrecting my grandparents just to kill them off again? Can we not just skip that part and leave them dead? Don’t need to worry about extra chairs then.

 

[davek]

Dave, you're totally getting the wrong end of the stick.
Of course I will take it when it is available to me. But, as a 25-year-old who is probably healthier than your average person, I'm not going to be top of the list - and rightly so.So as soon as it is available to me, I'll get it.
But me not having it - and other people in a similar group/age etc to me not having it - should not stop life returning to some form of normality in the meantime, as long as the people who need it to survive have it.

Wrong. The vaccines aren't 100%. Therefore we require everyone to get it in order to reduce the chances of the vulnerable getting it.

 

[davek]

My housemate has been working on the COVID wards for the last month now.

For all the initial faults, and there are too many to count, we all know that, the PPE they now have available is doing the job exactly as it should.

She said she's basically in close to a space suit every day, they're that protected.

The travesty is that they were so utterly and woefully ill-prepared at the start of the pandemic - think we can both agree on that - and that cost lives.

That wont last. We're at the beginning of winter.

 

[BlueToff]

Wrong. The vaccines aren't 100%. Therefore we require everyone to get it in order to reduce the chances of the vulnerable getting it.

Hang on.

If they're not 100%, then everyone having a vaccine that isn't 100% won't actually stop the transmission to the vulnerable anyway.

 

[BlueToff]

That wont last. We're at the beginning of winter.

Okay

 

[davek]

Hang on.

If they're not 100%, then everyone having a vaccine that isn't 100% won't actually stop the transmission to the vulnerable anyway.

But it reduces the prospects of transmission if all people have had it.

 

[BlueToff]

Question: why is it that apparently if my family met at Christmas, we’d be essentially casting a death sentence on my Nan and grandad?

Follow up question - why are we resurrecting my grandparents just to kill them off again? Can we not just skip that part and leave them dead? Don’t need to worry about extra chairs then.

Because weirdos who have been locked in their homes since February want you to think this.

Maybe people should be allowed to choose.

My grandma lives alone, has dementia and the only form of contact she's had in the last month has been my mum as that's the support bubble. I've seen her through the window when I've popped past on my bike.

There's no chance we're leaving her alone on Christmas day

 

[BlueToff]

But it reduces the prospects of transmission if all people have had it.

Yes, I get that. And where have I said that we all shouldn't get it?

But this will obviously be rolled out in stages and, as more people get it, more things should (and will) open back up.

That's simple logic.

Hopefully by May/June, everyone can have access to them.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Wrong. The vaccines aren't 100%. Therefore we require everyone to get it in order to reduce the chances of the vulnerable getting it.

By the time @BlueToff gets it, we will have %60 of the population either infected or vaccinated, so sure he should get a vax when/if he can, but it won't be VITAL anymore that he and the likes of him get it. It is easy as that. Lets talk again in June. They are going to say, 'you know what forget it, its over'

 

[davek]

Because weirdos who have been locked in their homes since February want you to think this.

Maybe people should be allowed to choose.

My grandma lives alone, has dementia and the only form of contact she's had in the last month has been my mum as that's the support bubble. I've seen her through the window when I've popped past on my bike.

There's no chance we're leaving her alone on Christmas day

Those 'weirdos' were instructed by their government to stay indoors until late summer; then they offered no reassurance to them to come out again.