Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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We have now two vaccines, Oxford to be added to the list. People who would like it and need shielding should take it asap and we should go back to normal asap. Before mental illnesses go over the roof. This has ruined the youth.
 

Cocktails? Yes. School? No.​

As the coronavirus has surged again in recent weeks, much of the United States has chosen to keep restaurants open and schools closed. Much of Europe has done the opposite.​
The European approach seems to be working better.​
Look at this chart, which shows the number of new daily virus cases in five countries, adjusted for population size:​
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By The New York Times​
As you can see, both the U.S. and Europe have been coping with severe outbreaks, with caseloads rising even faster in much of Europe than in the U.S. during much of this fall. But over the past two weeks, France, Germany, Spain and Britain have managed to reduce their growth rates.​
What is Europe doing differently? It is cracking down on the kind of indoor gatherings that most commonly spread the virus. England closed pubs, restaurants, gyms and more on Nov. 5 and announced they would remain closed until at least Dec. 2. France, Germany’s regional governments and the Catalonia region of Spain have also shut restaurants, among other businesses.​
“I’m sure the Europeans didn’t want to restrict their activities any more than we do,” Janet Baseman, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington, told me over the weekend. “Everyone is tired and ready for this to end, but we have to accept the reality of the data before us.”​
Many Americans have resisted accepting that reality. Across much of the country, restaurants remain open for indoor dining. Last week, New York State announced a new policy that public health experts consider to be a bizarre middle ground: Businesses with a liquor license can stay open until 10 p.m.
The one indoor activity that appears to present less risk is school, especially elementary school. Why? Young children seem to spread the virus less often than adults do. “Research has shown that if you put social-distancing protocols in place, school is actually quite a safe environment,” Andreas Schleicher, who studies schools for the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in Paris, told NPR.​
Closing schools and switching entirely to remote learning, on the other hand, has big social costs. Children are learning less, and many parents, mostly mothers, have dropped out of the labor force. The U.S. is suffering from both of these problems and from a raging pandemic.​
There are no easy answers, to be sure. Closing restaurants and other businesses creates economic hardship (which some European countries are trying to reduce through government aid).​
And the virus is now spreading so rapidly in the U.S. that keeping schools open does pose risks, including the chance that teachers, janitors and other workers infect one another. To keep schools open in a safe way, the U.S. would probably first need to close other public places. Only a few states — including Michigan, Oregon, New Mexico and Washington — have closed indoor dining recently.​
“The U.S. case and hospitalization numbers we’re seeing right now are chilling,” Baseman said.​
But if there are no perfect solutions to the pandemic, there are better and worse ones. Right now, the U.S. seems to be falling well short of what’s possible.​
 

The more this comes out the more the random crap on Facebook makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

Months ago there was loads of chat on there about feeling unwell over last winter and could it have been covid. It was played off for the obvious reasons.

However a wave of illness similar to covid and an increased number of deaths in the elderly which I know first hand (arrow park morgue was full new year).

Perhaps covid existed here before and we naturally dealt with it without a big fuss and no lockdowns?

Who knows , no way of knowing now like
 
If this is true then there needs to be severe consequences for the PRC. Not war, but in terms of economic measures to reflect the damage they’ve done to us all.

There were so many people complaining of the exact same symptoms from November through to Feb time that it was too much to ever just be a coincidence.

It was clear this thing was about well before last December. I bet looking at flu death stats would show that they were higher too (because this could easily have been put down as flu deaths given they didn't know of it - well, the people recording the cause of deaths won't have done, anyway).
 
The more this comes out the more the random crap on Facebook makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

Months ago there was loads of chat on there about feeling unwell over last winter and could it have been covid. It was played off for the obvious reasons.

However a wave of illness similar to covid and an increased number of deaths in the elderly which I know first hand (arrow park morgue was full new year).

Perhaps covid existed here before and we naturally dealt with it without a big fuss and no lockdowns?


Who knows , no way of knowing now like
Of course it did.

I'm not disputing that we needed lockdown in March, but I made the point a few times back then that, if in some alternative universe we never knew of COVID, it would probably have just been put down as a bad bug going around and deaths would have been put down to influenza etc.

Obviously, it's better that they discovered it, but there were too many people saying they had something similar for it all just to be people exaggerating etc.

This news really isn't a surprise to me, just confirms what was obvious.
 
The more this comes out the more the random crap on Facebook makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

Months ago there was loads of chat on there about feeling unwell over last winter and could it have been covid. It was played off for the obvious reasons.

However a wave of illness similar to covid and an increased number of deaths in the elderly which I know first hand (arrow park morgue was full new year).

Perhaps covid existed here before and we naturally dealt with it without a big fuss and no lockdowns?

Who knows , no way of knowing now like

well no, it doesn’t justify the crap on FB

This is obviously a much more serious illness than the flu, and we should have seen it if it’s spread significantly over here (so it suggests it didn’t to the level it has this year).

However what it says about what happened in the PRC is another question. Is there anyone who still believes their death figures for this?
 
well no, it doesn’t justify the crap on FB

This is obviously a much more serious illness than the flu, and we should have seen it if it’s spread significantly over here (so it suggests it didn’t to the level it has this year).

However what it says about what happened in the PRC is another question. Is there anyone who still believes their death figures for this?

I can think of one person who believes their death figures.

Undoubtedly he’ll be along anytime soon, claiming it’s another example of a media conspiracy to blacken the name of the great bunch of lads.
 
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