Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
I fully agree with what you say on Hancock, and the death statistics are horrid.

Watched this the other day:

Weird presentation style aside, it's interesting how much ethnicity plays a role. But, you also have to look at the age groups, too. The vast majority of people who have died are 75+. Then again, it digs down into the deaths of people with underlying conditions.

It's horrid. It doesn't mean that we should accept it. It doesn't mean we shouldn't question or criticise the government. And of course it doesn't mean that we should say 'well these people would have died anyway'.

There just has to be some perspective on the figures.

It's mental to think that we've had the most deaths in Europe, though I'm pretty sure there has been no hospital in the UK coming close to having to have people lying (dying) on the floor - like we saw in Italy and Spain in March.

The death rate is still staying low compared to the cases, which will of course rise as more tests are done. There's also the positive that it seems most people catching this now seem to be in the younger groups and, generally as a rule of thumb, are much less likely to end up hospitalised due to this.

I have a mate who is convinced that the UK are alone in being utterly useless against this thing. Using an example yesterday of a festival in Taiwan taking place over the weekend and saying we could have this is the government had locked down a week earlier etc.

It's daft. Every country in Europe is in some form of lockdown at the moment. The entire European model was to go with a 'flu pandemic model'. Part of that is apparently down to the proximty/size of countries in Europe, and even countries which dealt with it well initially, like Germany, have seen a massive rise in cases. Basically, the entirety of Europe is pinned into a corner (partly because of government decisions).

It's all crap. Everywhere is crap. You can't compare New Zealand and Australia because they're vast nations (Australia is literally its own continent) with much smaller populations. They also followed a completely different model (the SARS model) - their location allowed them to do this.

Apologies for the long post, I just needed to express my thoughts and your post clicked something. I fully agree that Hancock and the rest of this government need to be outed and more for what's happened. But relatively speaking, the entirety of Europe is in the same boat.
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That video makes you realise that if they vaccinate the majority of people over the age of 65 that would have a huge impact on deaths.
 
grandjoeblue said:
That video makes you realise that if they vaccinate the majority of people over the age of 65 that would have a huge impact on deaths.
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Yep.

Also really does show the difference between ethnicities.

This virus isn't racist (though let's face it I'm sure it'll have got claimed at some stage), and as far as I'm aware my biological make-up, as a white man, is exactly the same as a black man's biological make-up, or as a man who is Bangladeshi.

Yet the death rates are so much higher in those groups.

Is it living conditions - i.e. generations living together in the same house - and we saw this a lot in Spain/Italy as well, multiple generations living together in generally cramped conditions (the Med cities and towns - even the little village where I go on holiday in Spain - are full of high-rises and cramped streets - generally in the UK that isn't the case, it's obviously the inner cities which have tighter constrictions on space).

Is it people in those groups not following the guidance more than other groups have? Are less middle-eastern people wearing masks compared to Chinese people?

Is it lifestyle? Diet?

I don't know. It just raises lots of questions.
 
BlueToff said:
Yep.

Also really does show the difference between ethnicities.

This virus isn't racist (though let's face it I'm sure it'll have got claimed at some stage), and as far as I'm aware my biological make-up, as a white man, is exactly the same as a black man's biological make-up, or as a man who is Bangladeshi.

Yet the death rates are so much higher in those groups.

Is it living conditions - i.e. generations living together in the same house - and we saw this a lot in Spain/Italy as well, multiple generations living together in generally cramped conditions (the Med cities and towns - even the little village where I go on holiday in Spain - are full of high-rises and cramped streets - generally in the UK that isn't the case, it's obviously the inner cities which have tighter constrictions on space).

Is it people in those groups not following the guidance more than other groups have? Are less middle-eastern people wearing masks compared to Chinese people?

Is it lifestyle? Diet?

I don't know. It just raises lots of questions.
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Pretty sure a lot of it relates to the type of job people do as well. City centres tend to have a mix of races and have higher deaths whereas rural places are less mixed. Probably numerous different factors have an impact.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Just shows how far behind we are as a nation in manufactoring when the Oxford Vaccine was seen as the big hope yet seems to be trailing behind the rest.
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I think that they need a certain number of cases before they can unblind the trial.

Makes sense potential vaccines where the majority of the volunteers are from the USA get there first when you see how many cases they have.

I think that the Oxford one is the most important for us as I presume we have more of this ordered.

We don't actually have any of the Moderna vaccine on order here.
 
toffee82 said:
I think that they need a certain number of cases before they can unblind the trial.

Makes sense potential vaccines where the majority of the volunteers are from the USA get there first when you see how many cases they have.

I think that the Oxford one is the most important for us as I presume we have more of this ordered.

We don't actually have any of the Moderna vaccine on order here.
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Hopefully Johnson starts ordering some ASAP as they seen nore logistical than the Pfizer one in terms of temp storage.
 
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