Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[WA Toffee]

Well, well, well

Looks like the UK boffins haven't a clue what they were doing.

Or maybe the boffins have accurately presented the various scenarios to the decision makers, and it is they that have made the wrong decision?

 

[COYBL25]

Bruce start living on the shop floor in the real world FGS......daily hands on training, is how I learnt my trade - the opperartives I came across with high qualifications only 1 in ten where of any quality the rest on trial I dispatched to another department where their academic qualifications were more suited....

Time for your nap please.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Anyone else thinking this '250,000' figure is utter bollocks? surely not??

 

[john jako]

I'm currently whoring myself about on Mumsnet till my missus gets in from work.Absolute filth the lot of them.I find this is useful to pass the time JJ lol

Haha give me a day or two more of this and I’ll be there.

 

[Brennan]

Nursery yes a vocation -I think i looked after my plants better....

So you wouldn’t be aware then that Nurses are required to complete 2300 hours of placement in hospitals as part of their degree.

Or is saving lives not hands on enough ?

 

[marnie]

Haha give me a day or two more of this and I’ll be there.

I've called myself Blake.To add a bit of mystery to myself lol

 

[Toffe3m4n]

What's next though the world will never be the same again i think something truely catastrophic is just around the corner been saying to the misses for a couple years now that the world can't go on like this it's just insane then this virus comes around and nearly stops the world from turning this is just the beginning mark my words

Thats the spirit..............

 

[john jako]

I've called myself Blake.To add a bit of mystery to myself lol

I’m going with Bizzaro after my hero.

You seen bungle over there yet??

 

[Toast]

Is that to give you a breather and do a full restock?

Restock with the 10pm deliveries.
Customers snatching stuff off the cages last night as staff were putting them out.
We just can't have stuff like that.

I just had to deal with a local grock who was proper kicking off over nappies too.
Prick.

 

[davek]

Johnson is a ghoul, don't know how you guys voted for him.

I certainly gave him no hand into power.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But they also say that suppression, whilst not great is the better of the two options given the current data as we don’t have the surge hospital capacity to cope. Perhaps if we focus on improving that in the next few months, along with knowing more about the virus and its treatment, we will have more options.
“Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined. In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.”

In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days, with the refinement of estimates of likely ICU demand due to COVID-19 based on experience in Italy and the UK (previous planning estimates assumed half the demand now estimated) and with the NHS providing increasing certainty around the limits of hospital surge capacity.

We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time. The social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound. Many countries have adopted such measures already, but even those countries at an earlier stage of their epidemic (such as the UK) will need to do so imminently.

I agree. My only contention with that is that they appear to have only looked at the impact a strategy will have on the epidemic, not on the economy (and the subsequent impact it falling off a cliff would have on society). My impression was that Witty has been looking at things from a wide range of perspectives rather than purely from an immunology point of view.

It's hard to see how ICU capacity can be greatly increased really, as while you 'may' be able to procure more equipment, the staffing will be a huge issue. It's possible that people with prior experience in ICU could be called back and given refreshers, but equally it's possible/probable that sickness rates among staff will be higher than normal. It wouldn't surprise me 'that' much if it doesn't end up in nurses having two or more patients rather than the 1-to-1 that is normal in ICU, which is not ideal either, whether for the patients or the staff. I mean it's not like the NHS can recruit a bunch of people from overseas, you know?

I also recall my wife saying that most ICU nurses are fairly young, as the intensity of the job means it isn't often a career for a prolonged period of time, so it's not like there will be a large cohort of retirees to call upon.

This is just me chewing the fat, of course, so who knows how things will turn out. It'll be a tough 18 months however it unfolds though.

 

[witchdoc187]

Washing up liquid is the number 1 thing you can buy to kill this virus on contact, 10x more potent against it than bleach.

"In the context of the on-going pandemic and the control of interpandemic influenza in the home, it is possible to conclude that in a household setting, simple, readily available products such as 1% bleach, 10% vinegar and 0.01% washing up liquid all make convenient, easy to handle killing agents for influenza virus A/H1N1. These findings can be readily translated into simple public health advice, even in low resource settings. The public do not need to source more sophisticated cleaning products than these."

Effectiveness of Common Household Cleaning Agents in Reducing the Viability of Human Influenza A/H1N1 - PMC

In the event of an influenza pandemic, the majority of people infected will be nursed at home. It is therefore important to determine simple methods for limiting the spread of the virus within the home. The purpose of this work was to test a ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I always use vinegar to clean. I know people are dying to know what I use. So I decided to share my secret.

 

[zzr45]

Don Moynihan (@donmoyn) Tweeted:
Real-time evidence of flattening the curve. Lodi had the first Covid-19 case in Italy, and implemented a shutdown on Feb 23. Bergamo waited until March 8.
Look at the difference.

Incredible research by @drjenndowd, @melindacmills & co-authors. https://t.co/JYf1F5GnYu https://t.co/iMVXBJ59Y6

Bergamo is three times the size of Lodi. That graph is actually laughable, or rather taken completely out of context.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I always use vinegar to clean. I know people are dying to know what I use. So I decided to share my secret.

I've been to tesco and morrisons today and the shelves are wiped out, loads of people scrambling to buy hand cleaners and anti-bacterial sprays when washing up liquid is like buying kryptonite against this virus, all you need is a couple of bottles of fairy, last you months.

 

[Joey66]

So you wouldn’t be aware then that Nurses are required to complete 2300 hours of placement in hospitals as part of their degree.

Or is saving lives not hands on enough ?

A trading programme that produced a hands on approach to fill vacancies yes ....to help the burden of the current undermaned NHS service we currently have...