Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

Cases in Merseyside are in quite a considerable decline. Based on the reductions would tier 3 have been enough to slow the spread in the long term?

 

[Kenshin]

Worth mentioning

Elective clinics are starting to stop now in Liverpool. It's in certain services currently but this will clearly grow over the next week or two.

So chances are if you have a hospital appointment booked in after this week then it may be cancelled again.

 

[BlueToff]

Covid: 'We are hanging by a thread' - hospital doctor

If you want to know why England is going into lockdown, this hospital offers a glimpse.

www.bbc.co.uk

He is speaking to me in a six-bed intensive care unit, reserved for non-Covid patients. At least here there's no requirement for the staff to spend their shifts in full PPE, with tight-fitting masks that dig into their faces. Here it's just an apron, gloves and surgical mask.

Then people wonder why it’s spreading in hospitals. We get told we are all bastards spreading it asymptomatically and killing granny, but the NHS are just having a party and getting ready to do more Tiktok dances.

Someone better informed than me in regards to NHS could tell me, but my housemate is now on ICU wards - she works at Northern General in Sheffield.

She was saying yesterday she's in full PPE. About 3 layers worth, plus visor, overshoes etc. Basically no bit of her is exposed at all. And it's the same for everyone on the ICU wards.

So, why is it so different in other places? Given all the Trusts (and government) have had so much time now to reprepare.

They have no issue at all with the PPE in Sheffield. Why is this so different in Liverpool?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Someone better informed than me in regards to NHS could tell me, but my housemate is now on ICU wards - she works at Northern General in Sheffield.

She was saying yesterday she's in full PPE. About 3 layers worth, plus visor, overshoes etc. Basically no bit of her is exposed at all. And it's the same for everyone on the ICU wards.

So, why is it so different in other places? Given all the Trusts (and government) have had so much time now to reprepare.

They have no issue at all with the PPE in Sheffield. Why is this so different in Liverpool?

If you saw the clip on last nights news of the ICUs in Liverpool, it was like the scene out of an Ebola disaster movie. Some of the doctors looked like they were wearing space suits. Seriously, the firemen who tackled the Chernobyl disaster weren't as well protected.

 

[bigjonny]

Someone better informed than me in regards to NHS could tell me, but my housemate is now on ICU wards - she works at Northern General in Sheffield.

She was saying yesterday she's in full PPE. About 3 layers worth, plus visor, overshoes etc. Basically no bit of her is exposed at all. And it's the same for everyone on the ICU wards.

So, why is it so different in other places? Given all the Trusts (and government) have had so much time now to reprepare.

They have no issue at all with the PPE in Sheffield. Why is this so different in Liverpool?

I’d assume because it’s a non-COVID ward that’s mentioned ( but we know what assume does).

 

[BlueToff]

If you saw the clip on last nights news of the ICUs in Liverpool, it was like the scene out of an Ebola disaster movie. Some of the doctors looked like they were wearing space suits. Seriously, the firemen who tackled the Chernobyl disaster weren't as well protected.

And I'm sure that I read - maybe on here? - that the rates of infection in frontline staff are now way, way down. So at least it's working!

My housemate's a physio but working her first six months in respiratory before going into sports rehab etc, so that's why she's now on the ICU wards

 

[BlueToff]

I’d assume because it’s a non-COVID ward that’s mentioned ( but we know what assume does).

Oh, I guessed ICU wards are the ones being used to treat patients, though?

Then again would obviously make sense to treat COVID patients separately.

If doctors aren't treating COVID patients then, really, they don't need the excessive PPE surely? It can't exactly be comfortable for them working in that 8-12 hours a day, if not more.

As long as the staff who need it have it (unlike in March/April) then that's what is vital.

 

[bigjonny]

Oh, I guessed ICU wards are the ones being used to treat patients, though?

Then again would obviously make sense to treat COVID patients separately.

If doctors aren't treating COVID patients then, really, they don't need the excessive PPE surely? It can't exactly be comfortable for them working in that 8-12 hours a day, if not more.

As long as the staff who need it have it (unlike in March/April) then that's what is vital.

Yes , I think that’s the point .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Oh, I guessed ICU wards are the ones being used to treat patients, though?

Then again would obviously make sense to treat COVID patients separately.

If doctors aren't treating COVID patients then, really, they don't need the excessive PPE surely? It can't exactly be comfortable for them working in that 8-12 hours a day, if not more.

As long as the staff who need it have it (unlike in March/April) then that's what is vital.

Well of course PPE regulations have been downgraded from May to meet the demand, with ongoing court cases by clinical staff, against Government departments.
Won't be long before teachers start, as they are being instructed not wear anything unless a child is showing symptoms...

 

[BlueToff]

Well of course PPE regulations have been downgraded from May to meet the demand, with ongoing court cases by clinical staff, against Government departments.
Won't be long before teachers start, as they are being instructed not wear anything unless a child is showing symptoms...

Think you've missed the point?

The stuff they are wearing now is doing the job. It is working and, in my housemate's hospital, there is no shortage. She's less at risk of getting infected or spreading it in that PPE than me or you are when popping to the shop with a mask and/or gloves on.

If there are discrepancies between Trust to Trust, then who is that on?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A good thing but it will end up looking like we have a huge number of cases compared to other cities with less testing.

I was pondering this relationship yesterday. Over the past fortnight or so Czech has had the worst case numbers anywhere in the world. They've introduced almost complete lockdown in the past week or so, and case numbers have almost halved, which seems an incredibly quick turnaround. Logically it would make sense if previously you had to go into work that you might be encouraged to take a test to confirm you have something, whereas now if you're forced to work from home or are furloughed, you might not bother unless you have severe symptoms. I haven't been able to find the number of tests done to see if the data supports this.

 

[zzr45]

Oh, I guessed ICU wards are the ones being used to treat patients, though?

Then again would obviously make sense to treat COVID patients separately.

If doctors aren't treating COVID patients then, really, they don't need the excessive PPE surely? It can't exactly be comfortable for them working in that 8-12 hours a day, if not more.

As long as the staff who need it have it (unlike in March/April) then that's what is vital.

But I thought we could spread it without showing symptoms and false negative tests were a big problem?

It’s absolutely ridiculous. If you’re working around vulnerable people wear the proper kit ffs.

 

[BlueToff]

But I thought we could spread it without showing symptoms and false negative tests were a big problem?

It’s absolutely ridiculous. If you’re working around vulnerable people wear the proper kit ffs.

I'm not disputing that.

I just wondered if it was the case that some Trusts/hospitals had a shortage compared to others, and if so, who is that on responsibility wise.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]