Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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He is speaking to me in a six-bed intensive care unit, reserved for non-Covid patients. At least here there's no requirement for the staff to spend their shifts in full PPE, with tight-fitting masks that dig into their faces. Here it's just an apron, gloves and surgical mask.

Then people wonder why it’s spreading in hospitals. We get told we are all bastards spreading it asymptomatically and killing granny, but the NHS are just having a party and getting ready to do more Tiktok dances.
 
To play the other side here.

If you can get a rapid test done, more people will break lockdown rules if they all know they haven't got the virus and therefore can all meet up without any danger. Which then raises the very good moral question, if you and a bunch of your friends / family all test negative under this rapid response trial, you therefore pose zero risk to each other. Therefore you are less likely to not meet up with others if you have the inclination to do so in the first place?

It's things like that the country need anyway. That's the sort of things that brings the country back to normal being able to have rapid tests and either isolate or get on with things. Test an entire city , isolate those who have it, don't isolate those who doesn't and the numbers will drop rapidly within 2 weeks in any given scenario. Then test them all again rapidly after 2 weeks and rinse and repeat.
 
To play the other side here.

If you can get a rapid test done, more people will break lockdown rules if they all know they haven't got the virus and therefore can all meet up without any danger. Which then raises the very good moral question, if you and a bunch of your friends / family all test negative under this rapid response trial, you therefore pose zero risk to each other. Therefore you are less likely to not meet up with others if you have the inclination to do so in the first place?

It's things like that the country need anyway. That's the sort of things that brings the country back to normal being able to have rapid tests and either isolate or get on with things. Test an entire city , isolate those who have it, don't isolate those who doesn't and the numbers will drop rapidly within 2 weeks in any given scenario. Then test them all again rapidly after 2 weeks and rinse and repeat.
How will they do it ?
They need to be doing it via the voting register to make sure they can get as many people as possible tested.
If it is just a facility to test people and just trusting people to come along and get a test
The first method it should be positive progress but if it is the latter it will be another shambles with no real true reflection of where we are.
 
How will they do it ?
They need to be doing it via the voting register to make sure they can get as many people as possible tested.
If it is just a facility to test people and just trusting people to come along and get a test
If it is the first method it should be positive progress but if it is the latter it will be another shambles with no real true reflection of where we are.
Yeah there is loads about it they haven't said just yet, you know not everyone will get that test anyway so they will never get a true number. Mixed in with the ones who won't get any test may well be people who are more likely to ignore lockdown rules as well .

I mean from my own personal stand point. If they want me to get a test every week and actively encourage it then I will happily do that. I would prefer to have an anti body test first but no option for that anymore, but I'll get regular tests if that's what the aim is.
 
How will they do it ?
They need to be doing it via the voting register to make sure they can get as many people as possible tested.
If it is just a facility to test people and just trusting people to come along and get a test
The first method it should be positive progress but if it is the latter it will be another shambles with no real true reflection of where we are.
Reckon we will see the rapid test roll out nationally once the Libertarian wing of Tory Party and Government have got their way on reducing quarantine from 14 to 10 or their favoured 7 days. Kerching.
 
W.H.O. Ceded Control to China In Murky Hunt for Virus Origin

On a cold weekend in mid-February, when the world still harbored false hope that the new coronavirus could be contained, a World Health Organization team arrived in Beijing to study the outbreak and investigate a critical question: How did the virus jump from animals to humans?

At that point, there were only three confirmed deaths from Covid-19 outside China and scientists hoped that finding an animal source for the coronavirus would unlock clues about how to stop it, treat it and prevent similar outbreaks.

“If we don’t know the source then we’re equally vulnerable in the future to a similar outbreak,” Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization’s emergency director, had said that week in Geneva. “Understanding that source is a very important next step.”

What the team members did not know was that they would not be allowed to investigate the source at all. Despite Dr. Ryan’s pronouncements, and over the advice of its emergency committee, the organization’s leadership had quietly negotiated terms that sidelined its own experts. They would not question China’s initial response or even visit the live-animal market in the city of Wuhan where the outbreak seemed to have originated.

Nine months and more than 1.1 million deaths later, there is still no transparent, independent investigation into the source of the virus. Notoriously allergic to outside scrutiny, China has impeded the effort, while leaders of the World Health Organization, if privately frustrated, have largely ceded control, even as the Trump administration has fumed.

From the earliest days of the outbreak, the World Health Organization — the only public health body with a global remit — has been both indispensable and impotent. The Geneva-based agency has delivered key information about testing, treatment and vaccine science. When the Trump administration decided to develop its own test kits, rather than rely on the W.H.O. blueprint, the botched result led to delays.

At the same time, the health organization pushed misleading and contradictory information about the risk of spread from symptomless carriers. Its experts were slow to accept that the virus could be airborne. Top health officials encouraged travel as usual, advice that was based on politics and economics, not science.

The W.H.O.’s staunchest defenders note that, by the nature of its constitution, it is beholden to the countries that finance it. And it is hardly the only international body bending to China’s might. But even many of its supporters have been frustrated by the organization’s secrecy, its public praise for China and its quiet concessions. Those decisions have indirectly helped Beijing to whitewash its early failures in handling the outbreak.

Now, as a new Covid-19 wave engulfs Europe and the United States, the organization is in the middle of a geopolitical standoff.

China’s authoritarian leaders want to constrain the organization; President Trump, who formally withdrew the United States from the body in July, now seems intent on destroying it; and European leaders are scrambling to reform and empower it.

The search for the virus’s origins is a study in the compromises the W.H.O. has made.

On the surface, an investigation into the virus’s origin is progressing. Beijing recently approved a list of outside investigators. The health organization has agreed that key parts of the inquiry — about the first patients in China and the market’s role in the outbreak — will be led by Chinese scientists, according to documents obtained by The New York Times. The documents, which have never been made public, show that W.H.O. experts will review and “augment, rather than duplicate,” studies undertaken by China.

Even as it has heaped praise on the Chinese government, the organization has refused to disclose details of its negotiations with Beijing and hasn’t shared documents with member states outlining the terms of its investigations.

“The W.H.O. prioritizes access to the country,” said Gian Luca Burci, a former legal counsel for the agency. “But if you do that to the bitter end, you lose soft power.”

The question of the virus’s origin remains a critical mystery that, if solved, could help prevent another pandemic and help scientists create vaccines and treatments. When the first SARS outbreak began spreading in China in late 2002, officials hid the epidemic for months. But when they finally acknowledged it, they soon allowed in international teams to investigate the animal source.

This time, the hunt for a source has been shrouded in secrecy.

Internal documents and interviews with more than 50 public-health officials, scientists and diplomats provide an inside look at how a disempowered World Health Organization, eager to win access and cooperation from China, has struggled to achieve either. Its solicitous approach has given space for Mr. Trump and his allies to push speculation and unfounded conspiracy theories, and deflect blame for their own mistakes.

The prospect of an apolitical inquiry into the virus’s origins is dwindling. China has extracted concessions from the health organization that have helped the country delay important research and spared its government a potentially embarrassing review of its early response to the outbreak.

“Unfortunately, this has become a political investigation,” said Wang Linfa, an Australian virologist in Singapore who helped identify bats as the hosts of the first SARS coronavirus. “Whatever they do is symbolic.”

The organization said it was committed to a full-scale investigation irrespective of political distractions.

“Divisions between and within countries have provided fertile ground for this fast-moving virus to grow and gain the upper hand,” the W.H.O.’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said in a statement to The Times. He said political attacks had undermined the world’s response. “Leadership in a crisis such as this requires listening, understanding, trust and moving forward together.”

The question of where Covid-19 began is especially intriguing because the initial theory, centered on illegal wildlife sales at the Wuhan market, is now in doubt.

There is powerful evidence that the new coronavirus passed naturally from an animal into humans. Scientists have found a virus in bats that is a close relative, and they suspect that it may have infected another animal species before it reached people.

But though they agree that many cases were linked to the market in Wuhan, many scientists no longer believe it is where the outbreak began.

For now, however, it’s still where the trail goes cold.

You can read the rest here: https://nyti.ms/3oMw0It
 
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