Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Think you've missed the point?

The stuff they are wearing now is doing the job. It is working and, in my housemate's hospital, there is no shortage. She's less at risk of getting infected or spreading it in that PPE than me or you are when popping to the shop with a mask and/or gloves on.

If there are discrepancies between Trust to Trust, then who is that on?

I'm not missing the point just enjoying two Tory's Wums echoing to each other. It's amusing is all.

 

[kenada_blue]

So...found out the wife's nan has been tested positive. She's in her 80s and in a care home where a little outbreak has occurred.

It's early days and hopefully won't develop. But having the conversation about eventualities such as how to possibly see her for the last time (having only been able to see her once since March), prep to argue with the care home, funeral, consoling the mother in law and wife....

So fun times ahead.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Is it a lack due diligence from the Government when giving out contracts. No masks and the money won't ever be seen again as it's probably sitting in an offshore tax haven or has been laundered already.

“In April the government agreed a contract with Purple Surgical for £45m worth of 3M Aura 9332+ FFP3 masks, a medical-grade respirator, to be delivered in mid-May.

Purple Surgical then signed its own $27m (£21m) deal with Win Billion for 5m of the respirators.”

A government paid £45m up front for respirators that the supplier bought for £21m?, an instant, over 100% profit, or is it the benefit of that “VIP channel”

£45m deal for NHS masks collapses amid fraud claims

Exclusive: millions of respirators missing as medical company sues its supplier in US

www.theguardian.com

"Win Billion"

 

[Tubey]

This has been the problem throughout - incompetence and a lack of transparence. So you have dithering over decisions based on bad and often pretty much fabricated data.

 

[Kenshin]

This has been the problem throughout - incompetence and a lack of transparence. So you have dithering over decisions based on bad and often pretty much fabricated data.

What's that figure?

 

[Tubey]

Is it a lack due diligence from the Government when giving out contracts. No masks and the money won't ever be seen again as it's probably sitting in an offshore tax haven or has been laundered already.

“In April the government agreed a contract with Purple Surgical for £45m worth of 3M Aura 9332+ FFP3 masks, a medical-grade respirator, to be delivered in mid-May.

Purple Surgical then signed its own $27m (£21m) deal with Win Billion for 5m of the respirators.”

A government paid £45m up front for respirators that the supplier bought for £21m?, an instant, over 100% profit, or is it the benefit of that “VIP channel”

£45m deal for NHS masks collapses amid fraud claims

Exclusive: millions of respirators missing as medical company sues its supplier in US

www.theguardian.com

"Win Billion"

Classic NHS strategy that. £500 for a box of pencils etc.

 

[Tubey]

What's that figure?

Oh that 4,000 deaths per day would happen if nothing happened. Whitty backtracked and said that wouldn't happen regardless. Also said he wouldn't give projections longer than six weeks.

 

[Kenshin]

Oh that 4,000 deaths per day would happen if nothing happened. Whitty backtracked and said that wouldn't happen regardless. Also said he wouldn't give projections longer than six weeks.

This is something I have raised many times in the past about projected data and how much people put stock in them. That's why I have always questioned what is essentially made up numbers that aren't factual.

Like the graph that they love to roll out that had the vertical line despite it not having any basis other than literally exagerating data like you say for the most dramatic effect.

I have no issue with projected data based on actual data they have, because that's part of the data they have to work on to be able to plan ahead.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Cases in Merseyside are in quite a considerable decline. Based on the reductions would tier 3 have been enough to slow the spread in the long term?

It's impossible to tell in the long term mate. In the short term though, tier 3 would likely have brought infections down on Merseyside, but full lockdown should bring it down a bit quicker, so relieving the local pressure on the NHS.

Countrywide, I think the idea of full lockdown is based on behavioural issues as much as anything else. They could have moved everyone in Tier 1 to Tier 2, and everyone in Tier 2 to Tier 3, but that risks people not taking it seriously enough and finding ways round the rules.

Full lockdown doesn't give people the copout of "I didn't understand the rules" and also, pyschologically, makes it seem much more real and serious, so will work quicker.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is something I have raised many times in the past about projected data and how much people put stock in them. That's why I have always questioned what is essentially made up numbers that aren't factual.

Like the graph that they love to roll out that had the vertical line despite it not having any basis other than literally exagerating data like you say for the most dramatic effect.

I have no issue with projected data based on actual data they have, because that's part of the data they have to work on to be able to plan ahead.

A government source just told me that Witty does nothing all day except think of ways to wind up Kenshin on the internet.

 

[Kenshin]

A government source just told me that Witty does nothing all day except think of ways to wind up Kenshin on the internet.

Very funny.

Just responding to the post saying whittey made numbers up and admitted that will never happen.

Hardly not comparable to other examples of exagerated data that they have released. Otherwise explain this graph honestly without it being massively exagerated .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Very funny.

Just responding to the post saying whittey made numbers up and admitted that will never happen.

Hardly not comparable to other examples of exagerated data that they have released. Otherwise explain this graph honestly without it being massively exagerated .

Bit racist?

 

[Kenshin]

Bit racist?

lol it doesn't even sound the same

 

[Nymzee]

Don't care much for projected data etc.

Rising cases and a notoriously busy time of year for hospital staff is all I need to know.

 

[maccavennie]

So...found out the wife's nan has been tested positive. She's in her 80s and in a care home where a little outbreak has occurred.

It's early days and hopefully won't develop. But having the conversation about eventualities such as how to possibly see her for the last time (having only been able to see her once since March), prep to argue with the care home, funeral, consoling the mother in law and wife....

So fun times ahead.

Sorry to hear that mate, an absolute nightmare situation to be in for sure.