Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Catfish Blues]

We have no time for experimenting with what finds a point below R-1 when thousands are dying each week. We KNOW what does it right now: it's a national lockdown.

It's a luxury we dont have time for to pursue any other strategy.

But surely, once you come out of any future lockdown, you need to find a strategy which controls the virus at, or about, the level it is when you come out of lockdown ?

The alternative is to let R rise, see cases and hospital admissions rise again, go back into lockdown and repeat ad nauseum ? Having a more stable situation is surely more preferable than that ?

A stable, though restricted, environment, is much easier to plan round compared to an endless lockdown, release, lockdown, release situation.

Granted, you'd probably need to tweak the restrictions at the first sign of increased hospital admissions, because the current problems are the result of sticking heads in sands and ignoring the data for a month, so it wouldn't be totally stable, but stability means government, national and local, plus businesses, can plan accordingly.

 

[davek]

But surely, once you come out of any future lockdown, you need to find a strategy which controls the virus at, or about, the level it is when you come out of lockdown ?

The alternative is to let R rise, see cases and hospital admissions rise again, go back into lockdown and repeat ad nauseum ? Having a more stable situation is surely more preferable than that ?

A stable, though restricted, environment, is much easier to plan round compared to an endless lockdown, release, lockdown, release situation.

Granted, you'd probably need to tweak the restrictions at the first sign of increased hospital admissions, because the current problems are the result of sticking heads in sands and ignoring the data for a month, so it wouldn't be totally stable, but stability means government, national and local, plus businesses, can plan accordingly.

That opportunity was there after the first wave - to get a proper track and trace system in place. It was squandered. Now we have to do it again and hope the time it buys is used expertly and not handed to corrupt private sector companies taking hundreds of millions for their blag failed systems.

 

[COYBL25]

The issue now is a lack of social compliance amongst some in the population who either believe the rules don’t apply to them or are just ignoring the restrictions, this does not bode well

100% right with this,

I know people who are still at their parents houses all the time, despite the fact that their parents are slap bang in the at risk group, both for age and medical conditions.

One of them was at a wake this week with her mum, which was attended by 60 at the house of the deceased.

It was in an area of Liverpool where no one would ever grass.

This is why it’s spreading, not pubs or restaurants.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Our region's health service is being overwhelmed.

Which is pretty much exactly what I said, and have said before. Increased restrictions should, if they bring R down* below 0, lead to drops in cases, which will, eventually, feed through into hospital admissions, but that'll take over a month to feed through

*The physical restrictions themselves probably have less effect directly than the way they change peoples way of thinking on advice they were previously ignoring.

 

[davek]

Which is pretty much exactly what I said, and have said before. Increased restrictions should, if they bring R down* below 0, lead to drops in cases, which will, eventually, feed through into hospital admissions, but that'll take over a month to feed through

*The physical restrictions themselves probably have less effect directly than the way they change peoples way of thinking on advice they were previously ignoring.

How can that be? If you shut places down there's zero choice in the matter; leave it to choice and the belters will NOT observe behavioural guidelines. There has to be compulsion.

 

[Toast]

The issue now is a lack of social compliance amongst some in the population who either believe the rules don’t apply to them or are just ignoring the restrictions, this does not bode well

Give everyone who is genuinely medically exempt from wearing a mask an official certificate.
This would be required to be produced upon request.
It’s a pandemic, producing a bit of paper isn’t a massive issue.
No mask or certificate, no entry into shops etc.
Sick of all the blaggers now.

 

[Barnfred 55]

That opportunity was there after the first wave - to get a proper track and trace system in place. It was squandered. Now we have to do it again and hope the time it buys is used expertly and not handed to corrupt private sector companies taking hundreds of millions for their blag failed systems.

There's no doubt the Govt messed up TTR first time around. They were right to set it up, man it and finance it. But then they needed to pass control over to local authorities and resourced it from the central pool as required. Same with tier 2 testing.

But the main reason TTI system hasn't worked is lack of co operation from the public. More than 30% ignored contact from the TT team and 80% of those that did respond didn't follow instructions to self isolate. Roughly two thirds haven't signed up to the NHS TT system.

One of the best ways to help our NHS is to sign up. Have you Dave. I'd bet at least half of the people on here cryarsing about TT haven't. You know. Another way to help our NHS is to socially distance. Liverpool would be in Tier 1 if people did that simple thing. No question

 

[davek]

There's no doubt the Govt messed up TTR first time around. They were right to set it up, man it and finance it. But then they needed to pass control over to local authorities and resourced it from the central pool as required. Same with tier 2 testing.

But the main reason TTI system hasn't worked is lack of co operation from the public. More than 30% ignored contact from the TT team and 80% of those that did respond didn't follow instructions to self isolate. Roughly two thirds haven't signed up to the NHS TT system.

One of the best ways to help our NHS is to sign up. Have you Dave. I'd bet at least half of the people on here cryarsing about TT haven't. You know. Another way to help our NHS is to socially distance. Liverpool would be in Tier 1 if people did that simple thing. No question

And what message were they getting from government at that time? Eat out to help out. Get out there and spend spend spend.

That creates an attitude that it's optional.

 

[Kenshin]

We have no time for experimenting with what finds a point below R-1 when thousands are dying each week. We KNOW what does it right now: it's a national lockdown.

It's a luxury we dont have time for to pursue any other strategy.

Thousands die every day never mind each week.

Just generally speaking.

 

[Barnfred 55]

And what message were they getting from government at that time? Eat out to help out. Get out there and spend spend spend.

That creates an attitude that it's optional.

So what you're saying is the government dispensed with SD rules during that period? I don't recall seeing that

 

[Goat]

So what you're saying is the government dispensed with SD rules during that period? I don't recall seeing that

I do.

Everybody just stopped for 2months.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I do.

Everybody just stopped for 2months.

Not where I live. And we were chockablock with tourists at the time.

SD rules have always been easy enough to follow. 2 metres outside and metre and mask inside. A minority took it upon themselves to ignore it and now people are dying in big numbers again.

What I don't get is why so many are making excuses for them

 

[Goat]

Not where I live. And we were chockablock with tourists at the time.

SD rules have always been easy enough to follow. 2 metres outside and metre and mask inside. A minority took it upon themselves to ignore it and now people are dying in big numbers again.

What I don't get is why so many are making excuses for them

Its down to the messages from the top.

They lost the people once they changed slogans.

People are dying due to inaction from the top again.

I liked his stance, but Burnham being allowed to dictate to the Government was a complete farce, but by then it was already too late.

France and Germany are locking down, meanwhile we sit idly by while 000s die weekly, just like we did in March.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

100% right with this,

I know people who are still at their parents houses all the time, despite the fact that their parents are slap bang in the at risk group, both for age and medical conditions.

One of them was at a wake this week with her mum, which was attended by 60 at the house of the deceased.

It was in an area of Liverpool where no one would ever grass.

This is why it’s spreading, not pubs or restaurants.

Unless you can guarantee these people from these areas don't go into pubs and restaurants themselves, which in honesty you can't, it's really not a sound assumption. Anywhere groups of people from various areas congregate inside close proximity is of higher risk.

 

[COYBL25]

Unless you can guarantee these people from these areas don't go into pubs and restaurants themselves, which in honesty you can't, it's really not a sound assumption. Anywhere groups of people from various areas congregate inside close proximity is of higher risk.

The type of pubs they go into aren’t open and they’re certainly not the type of people to dine in a restaurant, if you get my meaning !