Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Jebus_lives]

But it's true?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19

That's from the first wave

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53895891

That's suggesting 1 in 8 was hospital caught , or 12% of cases.

It's very much a reality and drawing the idea that the number of people who are then dying isn't stretching the truth at all. Not does it deflect away from the fact that a covid death is one that tests positive , not necessarily died from covid.

Unless you just deny that being possible.

I'm not sure, given the changes and adaptation in hospitals/care homes/community/discharge pathways, alongside a greater understanding of how the virus operates that we should apply situation in Match-April to now.

And I'd be grateful if you could stop offering reductive counter argument to yours, as if they are the only two possible positions. It implies your speculation(s) is correct and that anyone suggesting it isn't is either dismissing it or has completely opposite opinion.

 

[grandjoeblue]

How was the resource/availability of counsellors affected by COVID? Do we think those in need struggles to actually see the people they needed to talk to?

A lot of the services are doing phone or video sessions rather than face to face. There was already a shortage of mental health professionals in the UK prior to COVID. I read something about Samaritans struggling to answer their phones but I cannot find it now.

 

[Kenshin]

And I'd be grateful if you could stop offering reductive counter argument to yours, as if they are the only two possible positions. It implies your speculation(s) is correct and that anyone suggesting it isn't is either dismissing it or has completely opposite opinion.

Here's there thing.

When you reply to me you are doing the exact same thing as you are accusing me of.

The word hypocrisy comes to mind lol

Essentially stop posting your opinions as if you are right whilst I reply to you and tell you how wrong / right my opinion is instead.

That sum it up? I can't post an opinion but you can.

 

[Jebus_lives]

That would apply if I mentioned where I work in every single post I put , which I don't do just the fact you remember it doesn't give my posts any more credibility.

The how and why? If someone catches covid in hospital and dies then there is no how or why needed. It happened , therefore it's a fact.

You've stated multiple times you work in the NHS, you've changed your name and referred to yourself as 'Dr Kenshin' your profile picture is of a Dr...

And 'catching it in a hospital' may be factual but it's also reductive - clinical setting, non clinical setting, patient to patient or staff to patient, staff to patient transmission?

I'm not sure many would give it much consideration because the 'media buzzword' (which you ironically rally against) lumps it all in as hospital, but there is much more nuance.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Here's there thing.

When you reply to me you are doing the exact same thing as you are accusing me of.

The word hypocrisy comes to mind lol

Essentially stop posting your opinions as if you are right whilst I reply to you and tell you how wrong / right my opinion is instead.

That sum it up? I can't post an opinion but you can.

I asked you not to draw conclusions based on speculation then present them as fact. Can you direct me to where I've done that?

 

[Kenshin]

You've stated multiple times you work in the NHS, you've changed your name and referred to yourself as 'Dr Kenshin' your profile picture is of a Dr...

And 'catching it in a hospital' may be factual but it's also reductive - clinical setting, non clinical setting, patient to patient or staff to patient, staff to patient transmission?

I'm not sure many would give it much consideration because the 'media buzzword' (which you ironically rally against) lumps it all in as hospital, but there is much more nuance.

This is getting childish, even from you which is disappointing because you are better than that.

It was other posters calling me Dr kenshin , I posted it as playing along with the joke, same as the picture. Would you rather me be angry and take things to heart just because someone doesn't agree with me? lol

I have posted where I work when directly talking about said place. Not quite the same as I work in the NHS , so my opinions are CORRECT.

Think about it mate.

 

[BlueStevie35]

See France are going into a one month lockdown beginning tomorrow with everywhere bar schools being told to close and travel between areas banned unless for medical or work reasons

 

[Kenshin]

I asked you not to draw conclusions based on speculation then present them as fact. Can you direct me to where I've done that?

All I have posted is an opinion based on data provided to us.

If that is now such a poor thing to do then what do you suggest I base my opinion on?

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is getting childish, even from you which is disappointing because you are better than that.

It was other posters calling me Dr kenshin , I posted it as playing along with the joke, same as the picture. Would you rather me be angry and take things to heart just because someone doesn't agree with me? lol

I have posted where I work when directly talking about said place. Not quite the same as I work in the NHS , so my opinions are CORRECT.

Think about it mate.

I'd rather you didn't draw conclusions based on presumptive reaskning, try to present yourself as having clinical expertise but here we are...

 

[Jebus_lives]

All I have posted is an opinion based on data provided to us.

If that is now such a poor thing to do then what do you suggest I base my opinion on?

Because quoting data (even if correct) doesnt mean you can draw a correct conclusion.

Correlation does not imply causation springs to mind.

 

[Kenshin]

Because quoting data (even if correct) doesnt mean you can draw a correct conclusion.

Correlation does not imply causation springs to mind.

And that's your problem, not mine.

If basing opinion on actual facts and data is such a big issue to you then it says more about your thoughts than mine tbh

 

[Moomin]

Because quoting data (even if correct) doesnt mean you can draw a correct conclusion.

Correlation does not imply causation springs to mind.

He gets his views on American politics from this gimp.

 

[Jebus_lives]

And that's your problem, not mine.

If basing opinion on actual facts and data is such a big issue to you then it says more about your thoughts than mine tbh

This is the equivalent of saying (The Kenshin Principle):

@Kenshin posting rate has increased in the Covid19 thread on GOT in the last two months

Covid19 rates are rising across the UK in the last two months

Conclusion:
@Kenshin posting rate on GOT is attributable to Covid19 infections and, subsequently deaths in the UK.

Recommendedation:
To reduce deaths in the UK @Kenshin needs to post less in the Covid19 thread on GOT.

Just presenting the data....

 

[Kenshin]

This is the equivalent of saying:

@Kenshin posting rate has increased in the Covid19 thread on GOT in the last two months

Covid19 rates are rising across the UK in the last two months

Conclusion:
@Kenshin posting rate on GOT is attributable to Covid19 infections and, subsequently deaths in the UK.

Recommendedation:
To reduce deaths in the UK @Kenshin needs to post less in the Covid19 thread on GOT.

Just presenting the data....

And I repeat, this is childish.

You are now comparing posts on a forum to literal data from the NHS and government.

I hate to say it , but grow up man.

 

[Charro]

Can’t be arsed with this thread anymore.

Theres some genuinely unhinged people in here.