Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[grandjoeblue]

care homes and hospitals watching on as Joe public continues to get blamed for COVID numbers.

A family member went into the Royal after a fall about a week ago, they have now said she has COVID and they are now saying she probably hasn't got much longer left. She didn't have it when she went in there. I think people underestimate the in hospital spread massively.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Can only imagine how much worse this situation will get given its historically a bad time of year, plus the looming threat of further lockdowns making people feel even more isolated.

That is huge numbers over a full year. Hardly surprising though, I don't really know anyone who is enjoying this period.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Always playing catch-up...

It's obviously part of the problem. But I do sort of think that it's a bit simplistic just to say we have problems all because the tracing isn't working that well. There are an awful lot of factors and I don't really agree with picking out just one.

 

[Kenshin]

Can only imagine how much worse this situation will get given its historically a bad time of year, plus the looming threat of further lockdowns making people feel even more isolated.

It's part and parcel of the forgotten side of the pandemic. People quite openly focus so much on one particular death number and dismiss all the rest , even to the extent that they suddenly don't exist.

It's quite sad to see , especially with that report that despite the excess deaths , covid isn't even in the top 10 of them.

At some point more people have to realise that people do die , and lockdown measures to protect one particular type of death may well be increasing them elsewhere. To what extent are we really saving lives in fear of covid ?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's obviously part of the problem. But I do sort of think that it's a bit simplistic just to say we have problems all because the tracing isn't working that well. There are an awful lot of factors and I don't really agree with picking out just one.

Agreed there is a catalogue of factors, it's whack o mole!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's part and parcel of the forgotten side of the pandemic. People quite openly focus so much on one particular death number and dismiss all the rest , even to the extent that they suddenly don't exist.

It's quite sad to see , especially with that report that despite the excess deaths , covid isn't even in the top 10 of them.

At some point more people have to realise that people do die , and lockdown measures to protect one particular type of death may well be increasing them elsewhere. To what extent are we really saving lives in fear of covid ?

It's the medical interventions needed to manage the person who is very poorly with Covid, that's the issue. It exhausts already thread bare NHS.

 

[Kenshin]

A family member went into the Royal after a fall about a week ago, they have now said she has COVID and they are now saying she probably hasn't got much longer left. She didn't have it when she went in there. I think people underestimate the in hospital spread massively.

I've seen another poster say that the figure is quite small in terms of hospital cases.

It won't apply to every case but I wonder if the majority of the cases being tested are the young and therefore not at risk and a bigger amount of the positives in elderly are coming from hospital admissions. It would make sense given the number of deaths and the fact that the elderly are more likely to go into hospital.

Part and parcel of the information we don't know this. If what I said is even remotely true to the mark, it would again paint a different picture of current circumstances. But impossible to say either way without knowing every single case.

 

[davek]

100,000 per day catching the virus and this government say "we'll keep businesses open".

All other major European nations either in or on their way to national lockdown - England not.

This is a repeat of the First Wave mass murder.

 

[davek]

I've seen another poster say that the figure is quite small in terms of hospital cases.

It won't apply to every case but I wonder if the majority of the cases being tested are the young and therefore not at risk and a bigger amount of the positives in elderly are coming from hospital admissions. It would make sense given the number of deaths and the fact that the elderly are more likely to go into hospital.

Part and parcel of the information we don't know this. If what I said is even remotely true to the mark, it would again paint a different picture of current circumstances. But impossible to say either way without knowing every single case.

Stop this propaganda now. It's way beyond that stage.

This is an existential threat. Just accept the science and lobby hard for a complete national lockdown. It's the only chance that hundreds of thousands of our people will have to survive.

 

[Kenshin]

It's the medical interventions needed to manage the person who is very poorly with Covid, that's the issue. It exhausts already thread bare NHS.

Yeah that's what I mean. You can't attribute all suicide attempts to covid but the increase will be part of it.

I know from personal experience that getting treatment for anything besides cancer treatment is at an all time low due to the limited hospital services since march. Elective care being rolled back is another indicator of people just not recieving treatment even for routine issues.

Side point. There is an increased amount of private appointments being done now , and the consultants tend to do surgery in the NHS side of it as well, so even though the consultants may have had less to do, more chance of spinning money from the whole ordeal. We even have one consultant , can't say what speciality but they do not do surgery , but co own a website selling products designed to help with said issues.

 

[tsubaki]

Always playing catch-up...

only seven months behind GOT

 

[Jebus_lives]

I've seen another poster say that the figure is quite small in terms of hospital cases.

It won't apply to every case but I wonder if the majority of the cases being tested are the young and therefore not at risk and a bigger amount of the positives in elderly are coming from hospital admissions. It would make sense given the number of deaths and the fact that the elderly are more likely to go into hospital.

Part and parcel of the information we don't know this. If what I said is even remotely true to the mark, it would again paint a different picture of current circumstances. But impossible to say either way without knowing every single case.

Probably best not to speculate and draw conclusions then

 

[OGG]

We do know. There are numerous huge surveys done. Spread was mainly in the young at first, and has spread across the ages slightly afterwards. This is exactly as happened in the sun belt states of the USA this summer, and as was predicted.

We are long past the point of taking serious nationwide action. Areas is tier 1 are getting worse - and quickly. Why wait for things to get worse
?

it will only mean more people die, and lockdowns will need to be deeper and longer to get cases back at a manageable level.

it’s simple maths.

 

[Kenshin]

Stop this propaganda now. It's way beyond that stage.

This is an existential threat. Just accept the science and lobby hard for a complete national lockdown. It's the only chance that hundreds of thousands of our people will have to survive.

You say propaganda so I offer you back on your view denial.

There is far more to this than you or I can really say.

 

[davek]

The first and most important duty of any government is to protect its own people and give them security. If this government doesn't do that for a second time it must fall or be removed. It's that simple.