Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

Probably best not to speculate and draw conclusions then

Why not?

Isn't that the point of having a thread discussing it?

Otherwise what's the point in anyone posting anything

 

[davek]

You say propaganda so I offer you back on your view denial.

There is far more to this than you or I can really say.

Listen to the scientists not to people who are looking after a small constituency who want to continue to profit with tens of thousands dying around them.

It's imperative we see a national lockdown now. The time for debate is over.

 

[tsubaki]

Can only imagine how much worse this situation will get given its historically a bad time of year, plus the looming threat of further lockdowns making people feel even more isolated.

It will be terrible, but then again when Governments have historically felt about welfare and mental health provision as things to be cut why is anyone surprised by any of this?

We’ve seen all the things that used to support people in the UK - social housing, stable employment, society and social interactions generally - either cut or attacked over the past forty years by people who’ve enriched themselves by doing so. This is the outcome.

I just hope enough people in this country realise now that things can’t go in like this, and whose fault it is.

 

[Kenshin]

Listen to the scientists not to people who are looking after a small constituency who want to continue to profit with tens of thousands dying around them.

It's imperative we see a national lockdown now. The time for debate is over.

You know what.

I don't agree with your viewpoint but I agree we should be locking down because the scientists have said to do it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yeah that's what I mean. You can't attribute all suicide attempts to covid but the increase will be part of it.

I know from personal experience that getting treatment for anything besides cancer treatment is at an all time low due to the limited hospital services since march. Elective care being rolled back is another indicator of people just not recieving treatment even for routine issues.

Side point. There is an increased amount of private appointments being done now , and the consultants tend to do surgery in the NHS side of it as well, so even though the consultants may have had less to do, more chance of spinning money from the whole ordeal. We even have one consultant , can't say what speciality but they do not do surgery , but co own a website selling products designed to help with said issues.

You can't know that until you asked every single person.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Why not?

Isn't that the point of having a thread discussing it?

Otherwise what's the point in anyone posting anything

There is a difference between speculating and drawing a conclusion based on evidence.

Speculating, then drawing a conclusion based upon unevidenced speculation is unhelpful to everyone - especially those who, knowing you work in the health service, may afford you extra credibility as a result.

It is especially unhelpful when people are nervous about hospital admission, we are heading into winter and you've gone to great lengths to labour the point about oblique consequences of Covid on the population.

 

[grandjoeblue]

You can't know that until you asked every single person.

I know a private counsellor who works in Mental Health and the demand on their service has exploded since the lockdowns. Its fair to assume that COVID has had a significant impact on suicides and mental health deterioration.

 

[Kenshin]

There is a difference between speculating and drawing a conclusion based on evidence.

Speculating, then drawing a conclusion based upon unevidenced speculation is unhelpful to everyone - especially those who, knowing you work in the health service, may afford you extra credibility as a result.

Given the area I work in , it offers no more credibility than your position working from home.

But it's applying deniability to anything and everything on your part. I suggest X figure is lower / higher during a pandemic and you are happy to dismiss it out of hand like it has no connection whatsoever.

Which if you want to then there you go.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I know a private counsellor who works in Mental Health and the demand on their service has exploded since the lockdowns. Its fair to assume that COVID has had a significant impact on suicides and mental health deterioration.

Obviously. But to use 'the @Kenshin rules' we can't know untill we've literally asked every person simultaneously.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It will be terrible, but then again when Governments have historically felt about welfare and mental health provision as things to be cut why is anyone surprised by any of this?

We’ve seen all the things that used to support people in the UK - social housing, stable employment, society and social interactions generally - either cut or attacked over the past forty years by people who’ve enriched themselves by doing so. This is the outcome.

I just hope enough people in this country realise now that things can’t go in like this, and whose fault it is.

Oh for sure we went into this pandemic with well known problems as is not even being able to manage a regular flu endemic if they got vaccination wrong. So with a new virus, well it was not going to make things better. The so-called 2012 NHS reform are now bordering state manslaughter. The same social problems are laid bare as they did in the financial crash. Nothing learnt, just the same greed and selfishness.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Given the area I work in , it offers no more credibility than your position working from home.

But it's applying deniability to anything and everything on your part. I suggest X figure is lower / higher during a pandemic and you are happy to dismiss it out of hand like it has no connection whatsoever.

Which if you want to then there you go.

Health service not the physical location

And I haven't dismissed anything out of hand. I have cautioned against speculation - the precise opposite.

I'm going in no direction other than 'lets wait until we have an answer'

Edit: there is data and evidence regarding how, where and the reason behind hospital infection spread, you've clearly just not seen it.

 

[davek]

The rate of infection is doubling every 9 days. Do the maths.

We're getting buried by this if action isn't taken right now. Contact your MPs.

 

[Kenshin]

It is especially unhelpful when people are nervous about hospital admission, we are heading into winter and you've gone to great lengths to labour the point about oblique consequences of Covid on the population.

But it's true?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19

That's from the first wave

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53895891

That's suggesting 1 in 8 was hospital caught , or 12% of cases.

It's very much a reality and drawing the idea that the number of people who are then dying isn't stretching the truth at all. Not does it deflect away from the fact that a covid death is one that tests positive , not necessarily died from covid.

Unless you just deny that being possible.

 

[Kenshin]

Health service not the physical location

And I haven't dismissed anything out of hand. I have cautioned against speculation - the precise opposite.

I'm going in no direction other than 'lets wait until we have an answer'

Edit: there is data and evidence regarding how, where and the reason behind hospital infection spread, you've clearly just not seen it.

That would apply if I mentioned where I work in every single post I put , which I don't do just the fact you remember it doesn't give my posts any more credibility.

The how and why? If someone catches covid in hospital and dies then there is no how or why needed. It happened , therefore it's a fact.

 

[Nymzee]

How was the resource/availability of counsellors affected by COVID? Do we think those in need struggles to actually see the people they needed to talk to?