Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

To be fair, I know a local NHS worker who has had COVID twice, so, though those cases are very unusual, there'll be far more than six.

She had a fairly mild COVID infection in the first wave, confirmed by a swab test.
A few weeks ago she had a more aggressive COVID infection, again confirmed by a swab test.

Inbetween she's had a negative antibody test. Her swab tests havn't been reanalysed to check to see if the infections were different enough to totally rule out a resurgent infection, so she wouldn't get written up in a journal.

It's possible one of her swab tests was a false positive and one of her infections was non-COVID, but the most likely scenario is she was infected twice. Her negative antibody tests casts a bit of doubt on all this, but doesn't really alter that most likely scenario.

Up until early October the cases have been a handful. More are expected, of course. It's a coronavirus and it'll behave like others do. That generally means, however, anything up to a half a year and a year ...which is why we haven't seen many examples of reinfection at this stage.

I think the problem with the Imperial College report is that it leaves us between two stools: their assertion (not peer reviewed yet either) that there's a significnt reduction of antibodies in previously affected people, and the lag in reinfection - which is at present negligible to say the least.

It's an eye catching report...and I'm always suspicious of timing.

 

[COYBL25]

Papers are scare mongering again.

Anyone who's just read up on what's going on knows the antibodies only last a few months.

The Oxford vaccine produces both a T-cell and antibody response in people of all ages.

The real question is how long does the T-cell immunity last, which no one knows for sure yet.

The T-cell immunity from the 4 types of regular coronaviruses only last for months but the T-cell immunity from Sars-Cov1 are still present in people, which means they have lasted 17 years. Sars-Cov2 is more similar to Sars-Cov1 than the regular sorts of corona virus so if we're lucky it'll last years.

Truth is no one knows 100% and the papers are being irresponsible in their reporting for the sake of selling papers. Pretty disgusting really.

As @davek pointed out. If the immunity lasts only a matter of months then we'll start hearing of thousands of cases of reinfection in the next few months. A handful of unpeer reviewed individual cases does not prove the case for only short term immunity.

They’re deliberately cherry picking the bad stuff and presenting it as fact.

Along with the woeful mishandling of the whole thing by the government, it’s helping to polarise the nation into two camps :

“ the sky is falling down, into my bunker I go and I’m not coming out “

or

“ I don’t believe a word any of them say anymore, I’m going to do what I want “

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Had things ever gone down in the US though? Looking at the death graph, it seems to have remained at a pretty high level all year.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Judging by that pic, it looks like if COVID doesn't get them, then blocked arteries will.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Had things ever gone down in the US though? Looking at the death graph, it seems to have remained at a pretty high level all year.

Lots of regional variations but still 3 distinct waves nationally

 

[LinekersLegs]

Judging by that pic, it looks like if COVID doesn't get them, then blocked arteries will.

“Comfort eat your way to a coronary”

 

[SteveSC]

Judging by that pic, it looks like if COVID doesn't get them, then blocked arteries will.

Annie's are supposed to be the healthier snack too. My friend recommended their stuff to us for our toddler and when we looked at the boxes we said nah! Even "healthier" snacks here are loaded with sugar and salt haha!

 

[SteveSC]

Had things ever gone down in the US though? Looking at the death graph, it seems to have remained at a pretty high level all year.

I think its more to do with cities and districts looking at closing things again like we did in March. They opened everything including some schools and we'll it hasn't gone well because of stupid people. Near two months of stuff being open and with the constant change in weather is starting to have an affect here in San Diego.

 

[neil999]

They’re deliberately cherry picking the bad stuff and presenting it as fact.

Along with the woeful mishandling of the whole thing by the government, it’s helping to polarise the nation into two camps :

“ the sky is falling down, into my bunker I go and I’m not coming out “

or

“ I don’t believe a word any of them say anymore, I’m going to do what I want “

See also brexit and the us election, never known a world so polarised

 

[COYBL25]

See also brexit and the us election, never known a world so polarised

It’s horrible isn’t it Neil

 

[neil999]

It’s horrible isn’t it Neil

I thinks there’s a monetary element to it, so many people on Twitter, radio etc being blatantly one sided to make money

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It’s horrible isn’t it Neil

I disagree. It's great. sorry

 

[whiteshadow]

They’re deliberately cherry picking the bad stuff and presenting it as fact.

Along with the woeful mishandling of the whole thing by the government, it’s helping to polarise the nation into two camps :

“ the sky is falling down, into my bunker I go and I’m not coming out “

or

“ I don’t believe a word any of them say anymore, I’m going to do what I want “

Yeah, it's dangerous when you can't trust them to be objective.

Most people aren't going to spend hours reading up or watching videos on it, they'll just see what they read in the papers or watch on the news and take it as fact.

Crazy world.

 

[brieverton]

If we continue to yo-yo between restriction and relaxation, it seems clear anyway that each form of relative lockdown will be progressively less stringent than the last. Those most vocal will ensure that, and in general terms, there will just be less and less of an appetite for it.

We have to get through the winter, and hope that the most vulnerable will be in a position to be vaccinated soon after. I think it's not unreasonable for people to live with restrictions until the spring, we have already been through so much collectively whilst understanding that things cannot and indeed will not go on like this indefinitely.