Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

When someone who, albeit old, dies after contracting Covid-19, when they would otherwise not have died. That's not natural.

It is when the patient is in ill health to begin with. I knew where your posts were leading to, just waited for you to say that lol

So on your logic. Not a single person dying of covid would have died anyway right? Because if there is a fraction of a doubt in that, you are pushing the wrong point here.

Nope. Again, why are you convinced that the only public health methods available are 'let rip' or lockdown?

Because apparantly the in-between isn't possible either in your words.

The logic for a middle ground would be to protect the people who are significantly more likely to die .

But can't have that, can't shut down and can't go back to normal.

So what's your suggestion?

Why do you always get passive aggressive when people call you out for being an idiot?

I'm repeating what you are saying.

Why is any reply you get have to be something other than a reply? This is a discussion, you reply I reply.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Why do you always get passive aggressive when people call you out for being an idiot?

I lost weight during lockdown. I stopped eating sugar and was doing lots of cardio everyday.

I have subsequently, in the past two months, started eating sugar again and not exercising.

I've decided that as my initial weight loss hasn't been sustained to just ignore any continued healthy living and just cut off my left arm as it's the one I use the least and will mean I permanently keep the weight off.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When someone who, albeit old, dies after contracting Covid-19, when they would otherwise not have died. That's not natural.

They could have run out of customers.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Andy Burnham has put our mayors to shame. Wish we had someone standing up for this city.

 

[Jebus_lives]

It is when the patient is in ill health to begin with. I knew where your posts were leading to, just waited for you to say that lol

So on your logic. Not a single person dying of covid would have died anyway right? Because if there is a fraction of a doubt in that, you are pushing the wrong point here.


Because apparantly the in-between isn't possible either in your words.

The logic for a middle ground would be to protect the people who are significantly more likely to die .

But can't have that, can't shut down and can't go back to normal.

So what's your suggestion?


I'm repeating what you are saying.

Why is any reply you get have to be something other than a reply? This is a discussion, you reply I reply.

Ill health' is doing a lot of carrying in that sentence; and i've not said they wouldn't have died anyway.

In fact I made a specific point of stating that

How with any degree of certainty can anyone answer that?

You can't either. What we can say with some degree of certainty is that the underlying cause of death for those that have died, where Covid is listed as the underlying cause of death, is covid-19.

And I've done nothing but suggest a different, middle ground approach for covid-19, I've outlined what that would be in this thread multiple times, but you are still insisting that the only options are the ones you're suggesting - they aren't.

 

[Jebus_lives]

They could have run out of customers.

Someone needs to question the logic of letting all the old people die and putting all these care homes and carers out of work.

 

[Nymzee]

I lost weight during lockdown. I stopped eating sugar and was doing lots of cardio everyday.

I have subsequently, in the past two months, started eating sugar again and not exercising.

I've decided that as my initial weight loss hasn't been sustained to just ignore any continued healthy living and just cut off my left arm as it's the one I use the least and will mean I permanently keep the weight off.

I'm hoping for a 2 week lockdown just so I can lose a bit of weight myself.

 

[SteveSC]

It is when the patient is in ill health to begin with. I knew where your posts were leading to, just waited for you to say that lol

So on your logic. Not a single person dying of covid would have died anyway right? Because if there is a fraction of a doubt in that, you are pushing the wrong point here.


Because apparantly the in-between isn't possible either in your words.

The logic for a middle ground would be to protect the people who are significantly more likely to die .

But can't have that, can't shut down and can't go back to normal.

So what's your suggestion?


I'm repeating what you are saying.

Why is any reply you get have to be something other than a reply? This is a discussion, you reply I reply.

Do you hear yourself?

If someone off ill health as you put it dies because their ill health (again how you put it) is compounded by a foreign virus, lets just say COVID-19, then that virus is partially responsible for their death.

There is a reason hospitals maintain standards in cleanliness.

My grandmother was in a hospital many years ago as she was ill. She ended up contracting a virus that ultimately put a nail in her coffin as it made her far worse and it became detriment to her health. Otherwise they saybshe may have lasted months and not days.

Sure she wasn't there because of the virus but the virus that was spreading in the hospital sped up her unfortunate demise.

Have you ever watched coroner's and doctors speak about people they deal with. From time to time you hear them say something else complicated matters.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Someone needs to question the logic of letting all the old people die and putting all these care homes and carers out of work.

I believe it's known as the Australia style COVID response.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I believe it's known as the Australia style COVID response.

If it works for Brexit...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If it works for Brexit...

I'm surprised they haven't tried it tbh. I mean they win at cricket and stuff so Australia-style everything must be fricking awesome.

 

[xena]

My thinking on the inevitability was that the tier system will become unworkable due to resistance from the region’s themselves (eg Manchester) and inconsistency between areas under the same ‘tier’ (Liverpool vs Lancashire with the gym situation). There’s also no guarantee the system will work and with a national lockdown being proven to work (although at a high price) I just think we will end up there sooner or later.

Untill university's and schools close everything else they do is pi__i ng in the wind.
And they don't want close them because it would cost to much they'd close them tomorrow if it didn't cost.

 

[Kenshin]

Do you hear yourself?

If someone off ill health as you put it dies because their ill health (again how you put it) is compounded by a foreign virus, lets just say COVID-19, then that virus is partially responsible for their death.

There is a reason hospitals maintain standards in cleanliness.

My grandmother was in a hospital many years ago as she was ill. She ended up contracting a virus that ultimately put a nail in her coffin as it made her far worse and it became detriment to her health. Otherwise they saybshe may have lasted months and not days.

Sure she wasn't there because of the virus but the virus that was spreading in the hospital sped up her unfortunate demise.

Have you ever watched coroner's and doctors speak about people they deal with. From time to time you hear them say something else complicated matters.

Fine.

So the businesses shut down , people out of jobs , homes lost, families plunged into poverty , amplify mental health degrading z all fine then as long as we give someone an extra few months to live.

That's what you are offering here.

That's the trade off with all of this. Put all your morality into the discussion but that's the trade off. How many people out of work? How many poor families lost the job that helped them out food on the table?

In fact you actually agree with me, despite the aggressive tone lol

If there is always something there to complicate things in elderly patients well before covid then that would be a natural occurance right? If it's not covid then it's something else but there is always something that compilicates.

Is that a worthy trade off for people's lives?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Untill university'sies and schools close, everything else they do is pi__i ng in the wind.
And they don't want to close them because it would cost too much. Tthey'd close them tomorrow if it didn't cost.

Just in case schools do shut, you're welcome.

 

[xena]

Just in case schools do shut, you're welcome.

Smart arse