Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[JLW]

If you aren't talking about death totals and reporting then I'm not sure what you're talking about.

My point is, why would you know this? Most don't. It's not something people ever consider or pay attention to - because they don't have to. Doesn't mean it's wrong or people are guessing.

Im not sure what your trying to say?

Were in the middle of a pandemic and like many others I'm doing some research as a lot of things dont add up to me?
I mean does everything seem clear as day to you regarding the deaths? Do you believe 42,000 or whatever it is have died because covid has killed them and they would still be alive if covid never existed?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Im not sure what your trying to say?

Were in the middle of a pandemic and like many others I'm doing some research as a lot of things dont add up to me?
I mean does everything seem clear as day to you regarding the deaths? Do you believe 42,000 or whatever it is have died because covid has killed them and they would still be alive if covid never existed?

What research have you done regarding deaths reporting?

Is there a standard death certificate? How are deaths normally recorded? What is the proces? timeframe for reporting? how are the statistics usually presented? Do areas report deaths differently?

I work in health commissiong and assurance. There isn't really anything remarkable to me about the Covid death reporting in regard to how deaths are reported.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I think you missed the point of my post. The 11,444 was total deaths, only 343 were linked to Covid. Covid is just a tiny proportion of deaths.....

No I didn't miss your point. Of those 'Covid-linked', how many were directly attributable to 'death by covid', for want of a better phrase? That is where we are not being told the whole truth...

 

[JLW]

What research have you done regarding deaths reporting?

Is there a standard death certificate? How are deaths normally recorded? What is the proces? timeframe for reporting? how are the statistics usually presented? Do areas report deaths differently?

I work in health commissiong and assurance. There isn't really anything remarkable to me about the Covid death reporting in regard to how deaths are reported.

I have no idea about the process/timeframe etc.. I'm no expert I'm just you're average joe living through this like we all are.
Maybe you can enlighten me how the process/reporting works?

Why are they putting Covid-19 on a death certificate if they never had it?

Back to my question though, Do you believe the 42,000 people who have died would still be alive if Covid never existed?

 

[Kenshin]

So that's you guessing and the doctors guessing.

So we have Covid deaths when they was never positive
We have 40,000 odd that died within 28 days of testing positive, nothing saying Covid killed them
The average non Covid deaths are down, its funny how the year theres a pandemic they go down!
We have positive results sent to people who haven't been tested
Thousands upon thousands new cases daily yet hospitals are fine and deaths very very low indeed in comparison to new cases
Masses of people on the streets and beaches during the summer and nothing happened
Government officials preaching to us about this killer pandemic yet break the rules themselves

And now we are very close to going into a second national lockdown, why?
Whats actually going here?

Don't forget they are saying a quarter of positive cases are caught within hospital settings.

General respiratory deaths have dropped by hundreds each week.

Average age of death is 1 year OLDER than the average age of death from everything else at 82.5 / 81.5.

Biggest proportion of underlying health issues is dementia , age related illness.

Plus the existence of a false positive test and false negative test.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I have no idea about the process/timeframe etc.. I'm no expert I'm just you're average joe living through this like we all are.
Maybe you can enlighten me how the process/reporting works?

Why are they putting Covid-19 on a death certificate if they never had it?

Back to my question though, Do you believe the 42,000 people who have died would still be alive if Covid never existed?

How with any degree of certainty can anyone answer that?

 

[Catfish Blues]

Back to my question though, Do you believe the 42,000 people who have died would still be alive if Covid never existed?

Most probably would still be mate, but the vast majority died, at least partly, as a result of COVID, rather than just with COVID. Some may have died at the same time without COVID, and some would have died in the last six months, but by far the majority would still be alive.

If that wasn't the case, then we wouldn't have seen a massive rise in excess deaths around April time. I'm not a medic, but I crunch data for a living, and, among other things, have done that in public health projects, so the idea that 10's of thousands of extra people suddenly started to die who were infected with a new virus, didn't die as a result of the new virus is bonkers.

Theoretically, there is a tiny chance that the correlation between those deaths and COVID is just a correlation and there's no cause associated with it, but it's so tiny that anyone reasonably informed would discount it.

 

[JLW]

Don't forget they are saying a quarter of positive cases are caught within hospital settings.

General respiratory deaths have dropped by hundreds each week.

Average age of death is 1 year OLDER than the average age of death from everything else at 82.5 / 81.5.

Biggest proportion of underlying health issues is dementia , age related illness.

Plus the existence of a false positive test and false negative test.

Only 2 days ago one guy tested positive on his test and fly before going home, he had just left our vessel and now we are in lockdown until he has another test which we got feedback back an hour ago and he is negative. (I have the official email in front of me right now regarding his positive result) although we've been told we are just waiting for the official email about his negative result.

There is far too much of this happening and is it any wonder people aren't buying what were are getting told

 

[Jebus_lives]

No I didn't miss your point. Of those 'Covid-linked', how many were directly attributable to 'death by covid', for want of a better phrase? That is where we are not being told the whole truth...

Are you expecting to see over reporting or under reporting?

 

[Tin-Tin]

Gyms staying open in Lancashire but we’ve been told to close them in Liverpool.

More confusion.

Maybe as they put up a better fight, or they have more Tory MP's.

Anderson and Rotherham arnt coming across well here. Should bin them and get Burnham in

 

[JLW]

Most probably would still be mate, but the vast majority died, at least partly, as a result of COVID, rather than just with COVID. Some may have died at the same time without COVID, and some would have died in the last six months, but by far the majority would still be alive.

If that wasn't the case, then we wouldn't have seen a massive rise in excess deaths around April time. I'm not a medic, but I crunch data for a living, and, among other things, have done that in public health projects, so the idea that 10's of thousands of extra people suddenly started to die who were infected with a new virus, didn't die as a result of the new virus is bonkers.

Theoretically, there is a tiny chance that the correlation between those deaths and COVID is just a correlation and there's no cause associated with it, but it's so tiny that anyone reasonably informed would discount it.

The average deaths are well down on a weekly basis for the past few months, are they using these deaths to add to the Covid tally?
Over 7 months that's a hell of a lot deaths to add to the Covid statistics.
Also considering that most hospitals in the peak were pretty much a no go zone due to the virus, isn't it questionable and very strange that the average non Covid deaths are down?

I dont know mate but alarm bells are ringing for me with all this, like I've said before it doesn't make sense.

 

[JLW]

How with any degree of certainty can anyone answer that?

From your views about it you're answer should be YES.
Correct me if I'm wrong mate but you believe 42,000 people have died because Covid killed them?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Don't forget they are saying a quarter of positive cases are caught within hospital settings.

General respiratory deaths have dropped by hundreds each week.

Average age of death is 1 year OLDER than the average age of death from everything else at 82.5 / 81.5.

Biggest proportion of underlying health issues is dementia , age related illness.

Plus the existence of a false positive test and false negative test.

Hard to know if someone died because of dementia or just WITH dementia.

 

[Jebus_lives]

From your views about it you're answer should be YES.
Correct me if I'm wrong mate but you believe 42,000 people have died because Covid killed them?

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion and yes, at least.

 

[Groucho]

Amateur epidemiology on the Internet.

The scourge of the current climate.