Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Kenshin]

How?

If you are stating this, you need to describe how, otherwise you're pissing in the wind.

Your entire argument is based upon a failed strategy. All you are doing here is feeding failure demand. It's not a zero sum game, you can introduce measures which are effective and then implement strategy to contain. If it's done right, we don't have to go down your eugenics route.

Mate it's been 7 months. What we have done so far has failed. Locking down is clearly the wrong strategy by this country.

In fact we continue to fail each and every day.

But what you are essentially asking me to do is write you a complete business case study to examine how to shield people effectively like you think you are talking to Boris Johnson right now.

But the funny thing is , as I keep pointing out. Shielding vunerable people is some failed strategy in your mind. However right now it's illegal for anyone to visit said people and you force them out the house to potentially catch the virus that may kill them for human contact.

And I'm peddling the failed strategy eh?

The median length of time that businesses stay open is 2 years, most of the businesses that have closed in 2020 did so after 2 years so have we really lost anything?

Try telling a grandchild that Covid grandad is best left to die because he's only got an average of 2.5 years left.

Oh so business shutting is just a natural occurance now? Nothing to do with government literally shutting them for periods of time where they will struggle to pay the bills? Turf people out of a job in entire sectors?

It's all natural this eh? Now who is the one talking out their backside eh

 

[Jebus_lives]

If you can't understand that, then there's nothing more to say...

Fair enough. Enjoy your day.

 

[Nymzee]

Mate it's been 7 months. What we have done so far has failed. Locking down is clearly the wrong strategy by this country.

In fact we continue to fail each and every day.

But what you are essentially asking me to do is write you a complete business case study to examine how to shield people effectively like you think you are talking to Boris Johnson right now.

But the funny thing is , as I keep pointing out. Shielding vunerable people is some failed strategy in your mind. However right now it's illegal for anyone to visit said people and you force them out the house to potentially catch the virus that may kill them for human contact.

And I'm peddling the failed strategy eh?


Oh so business shutting is just a natural occurance now? Nothing to do with government literally shutting them for periods of time where they will struggle to pay the bills? Turf people out of a job in entire sectors?

It's all natural this eh? Now who is the one talking out their backside eh

Locking down worked.

Coming out of lockdown early and ill prepared didn't work.

Get it right.

 

[Kenshin]

Locking down worked.

Coming out of lockdown early and ill prepared didn't work.

Get it right.

Did it?

If you are in a second wave after 7 months then you have failed.

Of course telling everyone not to go out and have zero interaction with each other 'worked' lol

What happens afterwards is part of it , which is a failure.

 

[Nymzee]

Did it?

If you are in a second wave after 7 months then you have failed.

Of course telling everyone not to go out and have zero interaction with each other 'worked' lol

What happens afterwards is part of it , which is a failure.

Well no, because you said lockdown failed, lockdown didn't fail. We went into lockdown, cases started dropping ergo worked.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Mate it's been 7 months. What we have done so far has failed. Locking down is clearly the wrong strategy by this country.

In fact we continue to fail each and every day.

But what you are essentially asking me to do is write you a complete business case study to examine how to shield people effectively like you think you are talking to Boris Johnson right now.

But the funny thing is , as I keep pointing out. Shielding vunerable people is some failed strategy in your mind. However right now it's illegal for anyone to visit said people and you force them out the house to potentially catch the virus that may kill them for human contact.

And I'm peddling the failed strategy eh?


Oh so business shutting is just a natural occurance now? Nothing to do with government literally shutting them for periods of time where they will struggle to pay the bills? Turf people out of a job in entire sectors?

It's all natural this eh? Now who is the one talking out their backside eh

At some point we just have to accept that if businesses close because of COVID-19, they were all doing badly anyway. The median length of time for businesses is 2 years, should we really kill off the generation that made this country great (tm @peteblue) just to save a few already doomed businesses?

Shielding vulnerable people isn't a failed strategy, its a measure needed because we don't have particularly strict restrictions. But, were we to consider resources over restrictions, we wouldn't need to shut people.

I fail to understand why you think the only options available are the ones that the UK has adopted thus far.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

At some point we just have to accept that if businesses close because of COVID-19, they were all doing badly anyway. The median length of time for businesses is 2 years, should we really kill off the generation that made this country great (tm @peteblue) just to save a few already doomed businesses?

Shielding vulnerable people isn't a failed strategy, its a measure needed because we don't have particularly strict restrictions. But, were we to consider resources over restrictions, we wouldn't need to shut people.

I fail to understand why you think the only options available are the ones that the UK has adopted thus far.

I don't believe the business closure stats because they're stating the reason for their closure being COVID just because they shut during COVID. They could have shut because they got hit by a bus ffs.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well no, because you said lockdown failed, lockdown didn't fail. We went into lockdown, cases started dropping ergo worked.

It's pretty simple really isn't it. I'm not quite sure what the struggle is.

Lockdown - drop the rate of infection
When you come out of lockdown do it gradually reintroducing different settings.
Ensure you have a good working T,T,I
Encourage isolation and compliance through resource and infrastructure. (Enable remote learning, areas of isolation for those who test positive).
Test and quarantine borders.

 

[Kenshin]

At some point we just have to accept that if businesses close because of COVID-19, they were all doing badly anyway. The median length of time for businesses is 2 years, should we really kill off the generation that made this country great (tm @peteblue) just to save a few already doomed businesses?

Shielding vulnerable people isn't a failed strategy, its a measure needed because we don't have particularly strict restrictions. But, were we to consider resources over restrictions, we wouldn't need to shut people.

I fail to understand why you think the only options available are the ones that the UK has adopted thus far.

That is ridiculous. When you stop businesses being able to trade or make any money and they go under , that's not natural. I'm not talking about some start up business selling cat socks here.

If a pub that can't open it's doors goes under , is that natural? If a gym that can't have any members goes under , that's natural?

Well no, because you said lockdown failed, lockdown didn't fail. We went into lockdown, cases started dropping ergo worked.

You can't have it both ways. Lockdown only works if you come out of it better off. Lockdown fails if you end up back in the same position. You can't seperate the two , people were hypothetically locked up in their homes for weeks , of course numbers would drop in that time.

Because otherwise that's what we should do, stay at home and stay locked down if it 'works'

 

[Nymzee]

You can't have it both ways. Lockdown only works if you come out of it better off. Lockdown fails if you end up back in the same position. You can't seperate the two , people were hypothetically locked up in their homes for weeks , of course numbers would drop in that time.

Because otherwise that's what we should do, stay at home and stay locked down if it 'works'

But again, it does work... coming out too early and coming out of it with no real plan doesn't work. I'm not sure what you're struggling with. Maybe it's because it's Friday.

 

[Jebus_lives]

You can't have it both ways. Lockdown only works if you come out of it better off. Lockdown fails if you end up back in the same position. You can't seperate the two , people were hypothetically locked up in their homes for weeks , of course numbers would drop in that time.

Because otherwise that's what we should do, stay at home and stay locked down if it 'works'

What?

Lockdown gives you time. It 'flattens the curve' what it doesn't do is prevent ongoing infections.

This is basic stuff.

 

[Kenshin]

But again, it does work... coming out too early and coming out of it with no real plan doesn't work. I'm not sure what you're struggling with. Maybe it's because it's Friday.

What?

Lockdown gives you time. It 'flattens the curve' what it doesn't do is prevent ongoing infections.

This is basic stuff.

Then what you are both saying is we should all be sat at home until the virus goes away. Because that is the clear thing that 'works'.

@davek

Shut everything down , balls to the exit strategy then that clearly has failed. Shut it all down now you bunch of murdering Tories .

 

[Jebus_lives]

That is ridiculous. When you stop businesses being able to trade or make any money and they go under , that's not natural. I'm not talking about some start up business selling cat socks here.

If a pub that can't open it's doors goes under , is that natural? If a gym that can't have any members goes under , that's natural?


You can't have it both ways. Lockdown only works if you come out of it better off. Lockdown fails if you end up back in the same position. You can't seperate the two , people were hypothetically locked up in their homes for weeks , of course numbers would drop in that time.

Because otherwise that's what we should do, stay at home and stay locked down if it 'works'

When someone who, albeit old, dies after contracting Covid-19, when they would otherwise not have died. That's not natural.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Then what you are both saying is we should all be sat at home until the virus goes away. Because that is the clear thing that 'works'.

@davek

Shut everything down , balls to the exit strategy then that clearly has failed. Shut it all down now you bunch of murdering Tories .

Nope. Again, why are you convinced that the only public health methods available are 'let rip' or lockdown?

 

[Nymzee]

Then what you are both saying is we should all be sat at home until the virus goes away. Because that is the clear thing that 'works'.

@davek

Shut everything down , balls to the exit strategy then that clearly has failed. Shut it all down now you bunch of murdering Tories .

Why do you always get passive aggressive when people call you out for being an idiot?